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    Re: online searches and excel

    for chris' site you can use this formula:
    =HYPERLINK("https://pellwall.com/?s="&A1&"&post_type=product")

    where A1 is the cell that contains the ingredient name

    Perfumersworld needs to be...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    After a very long pause and after changing continent (London to NYC). i am finally back..
    Somewhere on the way and after a few thousand $ lighter, i finally succeeded in making a few good formulas.....
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    thanks all for responding its my travel season at work and I have lost touch with this forum... i will be back.... (in arnold schwarzenegger style). :)

    my question was related to accords.. and...
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    Re: Links to perfumery books

    I have collected many books in PDF form and i am not a good reader of digital content despite my profession. I have been looking for an affordable way to have my PDFs printed and after many days of...
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    all, can anyone help with this question of post
    I appreciate it
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    ok, thanks Paul,

    Anyone else can provide some input to this question ?
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    I am avoiding to get more materials as i want to practice more on my existing EOs i have exhausted my ACs now.
    So you would say that there is nothing special about creating mid and top accords.....
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    I seem to be able to create some rather lovely base accords and slowly realising that its more challenging to create mid and top ones!
    Is there a reason behind it? anything i should know or watch...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    yes Sir! I will wait longer and see how the results change.
    Of course i still need to evaluate the accord almost immediately to get a first impression if it will work or not right?

    62078
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    BN members,

    I have been blending and creating accords and upon evaluation i get mixed impressions.
    For example i may smell an accord and say WOW this is amazing... only to smell it 30 mins later...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    thank you i have noted these, is there a fairly comprehensive list somewhere so i can pick and choose the ones i want to practice with?
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    All:

    Any recommendations for floral Top materials?
    I am dominated by Citrus and Sweet, Fruity scents... but i dont have any nice florals (except Geranyl Acetate, Linalool, Benzyl Acetate and...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    Just to provide an update to everyone on the above post..
    I love ground-in pipette bottles and i was worried that they may not be air tight.. (although they seem to be...)... anyhow i decided to do...
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    Re: Coniferous AC with a good tenacity?

    When you say Coniferous does this include Pine? my Alpha Terpineol HP lasts 36 hrs, any good?
    what about Cypress Oil although not AC..
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    aha, your approach is different

    should i use DPG or Ethanol for Benzoin, Frankincense, Pine Tree. I read above that depending on the resinoid i should use one or both...
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    how long do you leave it for in the solvent? 1 month + i have read
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    Thanks Paul this certainly answers my question about how to heat resinoids.. i assume this is ethanol or DPG in those containers? i was concerned heating ethanol... (and still am....)
    At which...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    birdie and mumsy thanks for the feedback
    i am planning to dissolve the following:
    -Benzoin
    -Frankincense
    -Pine Tree

    should i use ethanol or DPG, please specify for each?

    thanks for the...
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    Re: Links to perfumery books

    Toujours and Paul let me see if i cant find them locally if not i will come to both of you.

    thank you!
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    thanks Paul
    ok so i will follow these steps, please correct as needed

    1. crash/powder resinoids
    2. place powder in a jar with ethanol (What ratio?) - mix regularly
    3. how do i warm the jar ?...
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    Re: Links to perfumery books

    Toujours and Paul do you know how much it costs to ship from the US to London ?
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    i looked in the forum how to dissolve resinoid materials such as Benzoin.
    I read several approaches, some straight forward, some others not so easy.. i also watched a youtube video.

    what is the...
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    Re: Links to perfumery books

    Paul thank you for taking the time to take photos of your book! i like what i see!

    i also came across abe books and its where i got many other perfumery books from, somehow shipping doesnt cost...
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    Re: Links to perfumery books

    i am looking to purchase the 4 volumes of the H&R books.
    as you may guess due to the high cost involved i would like to have extensive feedback and if possible to read the table of contents (toc)....
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    thanks mumsy, i tend to use 20ml dropper bottles and the cheapest i can get them is around 80p but i buy fairly small quantities.
    I get the point about plastic bottles and im moving back to glass. ...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    i have been trying to 'cut corners' and reduce costs relating to buying bottles for materials, so i thought to try some alternatives to the standard pipette bottle.
    1. needle top plastic bottle ...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    maybe i didnt ask the question correctly!
    I am trying to understand the structure/layout of this composition
    i put boxes around what i thought the formula is trying to relay to the reader.. is...
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    Re: Ross oil mixed with Sandalwood oil

    dilute them down with ethanol so you can continue your trials with even less wastage..
    and keep going back and re-evaluate dont keep adding materials every few minutes.
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    Re: Ross oil mixed with Sandalwood oil

    so you dont end up wasting all your material, dilute it down for your trials.
    you will get several answers depending on the quality of the ingredients used.
    I dont have otto but in trying to find a...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    So cutters are basically blenders... ? what about my initial question, am i reading the table correctly ? i saw Benzyl Salicylate listed as a cutter which i believe this is a blender.
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    i am reading about perfume classifications from this source
    Can someone help me how do i read the information in this book..
    i attach an extract, for example it talks about fruity floral, what...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    aha! this makes sense, my benzyl acetate is glue like
    i paid just over 2 for 50g so i get it :)
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    jfrater thank you for the detailed response and taking the time to try out the problematic formula

    I work in dilutions of 10% when i try out accords, formulas etc to avoid wastage of my material,...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    good luck Birdie :) you need to find sketchpads that dont have any odour at all :)

    On a separate note, I have developed a 'non standard' way of smelling/testing accords on a testing strip which i...
  35. Re: Your top 3 most used aroma chemicals or naturals

    100% based on preference

    AC:
    Timbersilk
    Iso e Super
    Vertenex

    EO:
    Lemon
    Grapefruit
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    Re: Looking for inspiration

    you will not find a complete perfume formula, anywhere (of course!) :)
    but hints of whats in Jo Malone's perfumes can be found here:

    http://www.fragrantica.com/designers/Jo-Malone.html
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    To the folks that spent a lot on perfume strips (i read several alternatives on this forum).
    I concluded that if you buy watercolour sketch pads,300 gsm (the works in the uk sells them cheap) and...
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    Re: What scents describe a warm starry night?

    to me for starry night you would definitely need ionone beta and/or methyl ionone :) they both remind me of sparkling stars but it may be a personal impression
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    Hello mumsy, long time no speak!

    the method i use is as follows... i take an already balanced, base, mid and top accords and blend them together... based on this i assume the problem occurs when...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    thank you its noted
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    Re: Time Allotted for Fragrance Development

    a little off topic but i would like jfrater to elaborate a bit further on his technique.. i create by mixing base, mids and top accords that i have created and short listed... i would like to compare...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    All, i have been mostly absent from posting but i have been practicing my ingredients and accords!
    i even attempted some more complete formulas.. and do i dare to say i created 2 formulas that i...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    if Linalool is a good blender for citrus, florals, what is its equivalent for blending fruity materials? i find that if i use linalool with EM2B and Ethyl Butyrate it flattens the scent...?
    Maybe...
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    Re: Restricted Materials

    i was just reading the same in Chris' post here about Peroxides, David

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/292501-IFRA-Standards-Discussion-thread-(Temporary-partial-version)

    i also found this...
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    Re: Restricted Materials

    according to TGSC site...

    maximum skin levels for fine fragrances:
    4.3000 % and are based on the assumption that the fragrance mixture is used at 20% in a consumer product (IFRA Use Level...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    thanks gandhajala i appreciate all the input too.
    Well spotted!

    The rad is at minimum temp and has a thermostat... i also have a thermometer on the shelves above it to monitor the temperature...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    thanks for confirming I noticed that some others are not used in perfumery but I wanted to double check.

    When i started storing my ingredients i considered to group them by type (floral, woody...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    i have been exploring anisaldehyde (i like it so far!) where do i place it on my shelf? is it an aldehyde ? name says so.... but names proved me wrong so i dint want to assume....

    also can someone...
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    Re: Fixators and enhancers

    Look again the second link from my post under "How do I make my perfume last longer?" section....
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    i understand, i ordered these (what i could find, and without being overwhelmed with new ingredients), i see some of them are top notes so i am looking forward to creating finally some top accords...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    hmmm i m getting these two
    https://hermitageoils.com/product/ethyl-butyrate-at-50-in-dpg/?attribute_pa_size=5ml...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    ok so i will order these for now and add to the original list

    Coumarin
    Melonal
    Cinnamic Aldehyde
    Ethyl Butyrate
    Ethyl-2-Methyl Butyrate
    Aldehyde C8
    Ethyl methyl 2 butyrate
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    oh ok i just saw this i missed it let me read and digest..

    UPDATE:
    ok... so your original list is attached below.. ones with 'x' means i did get them and i am working with them. for the others i...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    So David what are the recommended top notes for beginners
    I would like to expand my top note stock as its very limited and i feel I dont experiment enough with top notes
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    all:
    1. Can you please recommend most commonly used top notes (just top) for beginners so i can go shopping... :dankk2:
    2. if applicable include vanilla, sweet, creamy, fresh, juicy, melon, fruity...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    Toujours dont feel you highjacked the thread, many of your questions were also my and many others' questions.
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    Yes they do..many of your Aroma chemicals come from mother nature too (just as your EO - naturals)
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    thanks for clarifying
    i will read more on Salicylates (it brought back memories :)
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    DHM lasts 20h for me.. so i didnt classify it as top..... now what? :)
    Benzyl Acetate is WIP (Work in progress)

    Also as you have industry experience... do you know if these two are used in sun...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    thank you both
    the attached template pulls automatically all columns except the first one from my 'stock' database...so i dont have to retype everything. since i am still learning the ingredients it...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    Hmm yes that's what logic says didn't work for me... When I next do a more complex accord I will post here and explain my struggle so we talk with examples which will be easier
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    Hi David

    yes my list of ingredients is a mixture, some came as a kit so since i had them i wanted to start practicing (and not exclude them) and many other ingredients came from this forum (from...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    So i have been practicing with all my ACs... doing blind tests taking notes, writing down longevity etc. this is becoming a nice hobby and now part of me... i have to do it..or my day isnt complete...
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    Re: Fixators and enhancers

    Welcome Sinroshi

    look at these two links to get started, dont limit yourself to naturals..

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/374134-Re-List-of-100-Aromachemicals...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    If i understood Toujours' point correctly, i also brought up the same challenge in a previous post on the same thread..the challenge an amateur is phased with when studying ingredients is lack of...
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    Re: Rain Notes

    kleinkiwi : would you say that in order to get that garden rain smell that MAG1 wants Melafleur may be more suited ? (I havent tried geosmin)
    Melafleur smells more of old paddle water to me..(often...
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    Re: Rain Notes

    i would think you will need Florazone and/or Melafleur

    The latter especially is pure rain to my nose!
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    David Welcome Back!

    I am still trying and trying with this fresh citrus accord.. its much harder than my mysky, woody bases!..
    this proved to be very gentle, sensitive, fragile..... not easy!
    ...
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    bshell we think alike! thanks for the ideas... i am building my own database with all the above characteristics as columns.. i have to do it this way as i want to easily filter by ANYTHING :)
    ...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    OK I.D.Adam maybe its a good opportunity to start practicing with my first EO, Bergamot, to begin with until i receive next batch of AC - thanks!
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    i didnt use all of those at once... i tried several combinations... I dont want to use any naturals yet as i havent study them yet and I dont know their properties.
    Should i put this effort to bed...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    all my attempts to produce a simple fresh, airy, citrus accord result in a wonderful formula for toilet cleaner!

    i produced a few nice non-citrus bases... but when i try to produce any top note...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    One more question and i fear this may be a stupid one :)

    if a material A has longevity (t) (hrs)... when i add two drops of A it makes it more intense... but the time (t) is not impacted... or is...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    i see... very clear explanation!
    i do practice every day, i make accords, and i also dip smell strips in materials that i have practiced before. things are becoming more clear for sure..
    ...
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    ok, so for each material i practice... i write down the following...

    -Material name
    -Description e.g. flora, dry, powdery etc
    -Key characteristics (e.g floral, woody)
    -longevity e.g. 16hrs...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    i continue to create accords with my first 30 ingredients.. this can be fun when something nice turns out and very disappointing when you overdose on citral :)

    upon looking at my notes for my 30...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    gandhajala thanks for the info. since when they started listing such ingredients on packaging do you know?

    On a separate note i am experimenting with my first 30 or so ingredients and I am...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    Hello everyone, i took a break as i was away for a bit.. back to practicing now.. the break helped a lot... :)
    As i passed through airport perfume shops i tried to test my knowledge by smelling...
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    Today is a day of rest! :) happy holidays everyone... or Merry Christmas.. if applicable!!! :engel017:
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    xii thank you for the descriptions i love them! very detailed and very colourful...!!

    I thought galaxolide smells of alcoholic drink.. (thats why descriptions are very personal!)

    I swear...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    folks..with regards to methyl ionone, i think you misread my note... or maybe the way i wrote it.. its confusing... sorry!

    I said methyl ionone contains 'magic stuff' (metaphorically speaking) as...
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    Everyone thank you for all your suggestions/recommendations, loads of info to digest and try out here.

    xii: i like your technique trying to balance ingredients using blind testing so i am not...
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    Re: Citrus essential oils in ethanol solustion!

    Hello Dmitriy

    I have 10% dilutions in ethanol of all three.. they are all clear and crisp in my case.
    saying this my sandalwood turns white when i mix it with ethanol.. and its because its...
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    Everyone: Thank you all for the input/help/contribution i appreciate the recommendations.
    I have moved on to 3 more scents to practice and i will revisit the 3 troubling animalic ones again......
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    Re: Purchasing Perfume Bottle

    http://artandolfaction.com/suppliers/
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    I can see how notes/descriptions may later become useless... when i started to learn to cook i used my cut outs and notes! now i pretty much know all my ingredients by heart..and basic sauces...
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    Jano thanks i will try some on my wrists (diluted) i hope this will help me out..
    Iso e super on one wrist and ambrofix on the other.. lets see :) (need third wrist for galaxolide) lol...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    OK I had success with Group 2... as i managed to describe the ingredients better and noted that the big difference between DHM and (Linalyl Acetate and Linalool) is that the latter two have wood...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    thanks David and Marcus Penguin

    I am working on the below comparison points...its still work in progress... but its heading the right direction..
    DHM is not woody and therefore this is my...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    ok im continuing practicing 20 ingredients.. overall im ok but as the list grew... i now find myself i trip over the following groups. For example: in group 1 I may mix up ambrofix with galaxolide or...
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    thank you for the advice.. i learned this by trial an error with Citral.. even at 0.2% its still way too strong and takes over, it needs further dilution

    PS. I forgot to mention when i test out...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    Hi Renegade
    i dont think smelling calone affected my smell. after smelling calone i can smell other ingredients fine...i dont feel it has tired my nose, like iso e super did. even diluted my sample...
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    Re: Understanding formulas and terminology

    thanks for this i get it, its all relative to the perfume and the ingredients used.
    very interesting info on the washing up liquid and the fabric conditioner .. although true i never actually...
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    Today i am practicing 4 new ingredients: Florazone, Calone (These two were from mumsy's recommendations) and i also chose Myrrh and Labdanum as i love resin, incense materials. i have some rather...
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    I see, so there are no rules then its relative to the specific perfume... ok i need to get used to this... :)
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    Hi Mumsy

    your analogy is spot on and very clear.

    my question though still stands about the general thresholds in mins/hrs that i should follow to classify notes as top, middle and base in my...
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    Hello David

    OK my Linalyl Acetate acetate and Dihydromyrcenol are both middle notes based on that rule.

    So what is the general rule to classify top, middle and base notes in terms of hours.. my...
  98. Thread: Safety....

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    Re: Safety....

    Mumsy if you go to bed with a new sample can you evaluate it well the next day when you carry on working on it? or your nose is so much used to it that it affects your judgment ?
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    Hi Alysoon

    yes i understand the point, i try as much as i can to avoid what i have read for each ingredient. for PEA for example at least in my sample i can smell something like bitter almond...
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    Re: Working with Labdanum ABS

    Renegade thanks for the hints.. i did consider scooping it out i just thought it will make it more challenging to weigh it
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