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  1. Re: A thought experiment about a fantasy accord!

    Well to start , it would have to be a big aroma- nothing close to the skin., maybe diffusive to arms length-it would have to have animal- maybe civet overdosed-then maybe Sauvignon- that smells like...
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    Re: Good quality essential oils

    I would read Eden botanicals site even if i didn’t buy- it’s a real education- I bet if you did , you would be able to spot a fake
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    Re: An Atlantic article - interesting!

    I think it’s interesting in terms of perspective- we remodel our neurons , but keep the identity- but memory being what it is, we could also smell things differently but think it’s the same- and...
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    An Atlantic article - interesting!

    So I’ve only read the first few paragraphs, but the first paragraph leaves room for thought
    https://apple.news/Atz1jtPPDR1CIV6HCR9Hb0Q
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    Re: Question about fixatives and essential oils

    Hi , welcome here-
    So it’s about perfume here- and I’ve never heard of triethyl citrate as a fixative in perfume
    But it doesn’t look like you are making a perfume, more of a cosmetic , which has ...
  6. Re: Obtaining formulas for discontinued fragrances

    I think with perfume , besides cachet, don’t formulas build on themselves? I mean if I had enough modern formulas, wouldn’t it be like seeing into a creators thinking and process?
    We have many...
  7. Re: Got some pretty interesting stuff on the way...

    I love tagetes- but it feels like a lacto era to me- I smell as super strong green diary, butter. I didn’t realize it was restart, so thanks for that. I find it hard to use because it is a weird...
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    Re: fermenting body spray

    Darren- I often find it helps to go shopping: for instance eden botanicals got me into perfumery.
    What online resource would you recommend? I find many retailers/wholesalers also educate their...
  9. Thread: Magic numbers

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    Re: Magic numbers

    Before it turns into the great debate, could you please dumb it down- I get some of it- that there is a target vapor pressure that can be achieved through combining and division, but what is the...
  10. Re: Best Bang For Your Buck Fragrance Sizes & Oil List For Beginners

    I use 190 proof ever clear- just easier for me to get when I drive through a state that sells it

    Essential oils are all different- Eden will give you up to 6 samples per order so for instance, you...
  11. Re: Best Bang For Your Buck Fragrance Sizes & Oil List For Beginners

    Hi- glad you have the bug , but what no one is saying: that’s all you have
    I’m a beginner- and we are in world w/o easy access to current books, teachers, or school availability.
    Basenotes is it,...
  12. Thread: Petitgrain

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    Re: Petitgrain

    Chypre- that’s why I love the bergamotier- it’s smooth, fleshing - doesn’t poke about- of course the only two places I’ve seen it is hermitage and Steele- so it is a treat not a staple
  13. Thread: Petitgrain

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    Re: Petitgrain

    I hate posting on BN - between autocorrect and the auto save I never get it right!
    The rest: sometimes sur fleurs is beautiful, but really only sometimes
    You have to buy samples from everyone- pa...
  14. Thread: Petitgrain

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    Re: Petitgrain

    I find that petit grains vary from lot to lot with the same distributor. I adore petit grain- Jamie is right the bergamotier is wonderful, citronier close second, Paraguay 3rd. Sometimes sir fliers...
  15. Re: For More Powerfull Basenote: Ambergris and Musk, Which one and How?

    My observations(I am a beginner)
    You can have 1 or 2 materials that amplify each other , but adding others can change that effect.
    Each material is what they they are- so if you can’t perceive it...
  16. Re: Understanding Firmenich Accord No. 208689 Fougère Woody

    Thanks!
  17. Re: Being hasty without the proper research(Tobacco Tincture)

    Did the same thing with choke cherry- which smells absolutely amazing, leaves etc- and super toxic, here in Florida better check first- lots of toxic!
  18. Re: Understanding Firmenich Accord No. 208689 Fougère Woody

    So it’s rare that I have all the acs- I am missing pyralone: tgsc-pellwall says: earthy, shap-leather, rooty nutty oakmoss vetiver
    What acs replace it approximately? Thanks
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    Re: Ethanol elderflower extract

    Most things that are fresh I have to keep removing, adding more to get anything of substance
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    Re: How Do You Organize Your Materials?

    I loosely put them in a catagory- just so I can memory place them- much easier w naturals than acs for me
    But I pull out a regularly smell them and take notes-
    It is important that I have an...
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    Re: Most rare or expensive material?

    Hi Bill! I do know that , although it seems cheating in some way,
    No I am curious about the Jasmine enfleurage essential oil Paul mentioned- that’s what I’ve never seen
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    Re: Most rare or expensive material?

    How do the get an essential oil from enfleurage? Do they distill the fat? How does that work?I didn’t know you could do that...
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    Re: Most rare or expensive material?

    I’m with Bill- ouds for anything used regularly- they are going to change for rare and rarely used- but ouds are used-
  24. Thread: Frankincense

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    Re: Frankincense

    Wow! Thank you for that! Very helpful.
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    Re: Compatibility Search

    Hi poteko! Welcome!
    This is a great hobby, but one really has to spend a great of time and money and experimentation to figure it out.
    There are books, but not a complete listing of materials, or a...
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    Re: A tease, make sure you check PSH this weekend!

    Bill I am checking! I cant see it, is it posted yet?
  27. Re: Useful resource for Perfumery: Dr Duke's Phytochemical Database

    Wow! I am not sure I can make sense of it easily but the information is very helpful, seems like a real source.
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    Re: Propolis, thoughts?

    Pinkster- I can’t find propolis at Eden botanicals- did you mean another company or could you send a link? Thanks!
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    Re: Salicynile (Firmenich) - thoughts?

    Where did you get it?
  30. Re: New Topic: Standout New-to-Me Materials I Just Received

    I thought safe was safe- but probably not- but they list nothing in their coa to see
  31. Re: New Topic: Standout New-to-Me Materials I Just Received

    Not to change the subject- because I love this subject ( Bravo Bill!)
    But on the topic of oakmoss- I get Eden’s which is ifra compliant, and I really like it-...
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    Re: Question about using Diffusive Materials

    This may be old hat for others, but for me it is a sort of revelation
    I experience some aromas, odors as profound experiences-almost alway a complex smell,
    When I was a child almost all smell...
  33. Re: candy top note that will disappear quickly? quick burst of salt water taffy

    So the rhododendron eo from Eden botanicals, is candy fruity, and it is a top to mid note,...
  34. Re: Liatrix Absolute Substitute Has Been Fixed, But For Other PA "Absolutes," Don't Believe Your Ey

    Doesn’t California have the strictest laws in the country ? Especially dealing with a company that deals in flavor ingredients? I mean wouldn’t that set any company running to right wrongs?
  35. Re: Liatrix Absolute Substitute Has Been Fixed, But As For Anything Else, Don't Believe Your Eyes

    I have so many issues , it’s crazy
    First with cp being weird, we only have psh, or pellwell if we save up for shipping, or pw- all overseas
    I guess we could request from psh-
    The second which is...
  36. Re: Seeking advice on how to make homemade perfume/FRAGRANT using Canonball flower/couroupita guiane

    Two methods -
    Tincturing- with 95%+ ethanol- you must change the flowers out, many , many times- I can’t see your flowers- and I am unfamiliar, but it looks like they have a lot of water- which...
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    Re: Middle-note fillers

    I just go to the sellers and read all their descriptions, and reviews, then look up the materials in tgsc- the site will say if it is a low , medium, or high odor profile, and how it lasts- then I...
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    Re: The Sandalwood Game Proposal & Entries

    Thanks Feentim!
    Onward to the next Game!
    Judges thank you so much!
    Participants: Well Done!
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    Re: The Sandalwood Game Proposal & Entries

    Thanks Feentim!
    Onward to the next Game!
    Judges thank you so much!
    Participants: Well Done!
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    Re: Galaxolide 50% IPM

    Yes - although I haven’t used ipm in formula so idk what effects that would have - but I would have assume minimal because otherwise probably would have heard- and also why would suppliers do that.
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    Re: The Sandalwood Game Proposal & Entries

    Hi Paul,
    I am not sure where we are: have you reviewed all the perfumes you received?
    Hi Kacper,
    Someone had mentioned that you might be putting your reviews in a video, but I’m not sure if...
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    Re: Thegoodscentscompany

    Thanks Bill, that is helpful- I always just blipped over them because I wasn’t sure if they were much softer, or linear etc
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    Re: Thegoodscentscompany

    Thanks to both - I could only find that one- and frankly , I am a bit intimidated by the “for cosmetics” - idk what that means for the fragrance
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    Re: Thegoodscentscompany

    Is there an index for tgsc demos?
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    Re: Depth & Complexity

    Casper
    I got them from hermitage- it is perhaps the topic for another post , but I am moved by the ouds I got
    I didn’t expect to feel this way
    I have some agar wood from Eden botanicals and...
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    Re: How to make 18 gm out of my 0.9 ml blend

    Didn’t notice the 60ml since formula was in gr- and 18ml was asked for
    So you are right volume and weight are getting crossed
    Novice perfumer- you have a choice - if you follow the numbers I gave...
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    Re: Starting a Perfume Business –– Advice?

    calderiansense
    Who are you selling to? Are you making up 50 bottles, of 4 different perfumes, and with boxes? Are they 3 ounce, 1ounce, 1/2 ounce?
    On Etsy , or in a brick and mortar?
    Are you...
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    Re: How to make 18 gm out of my 0.9 ml blend

    3.6-sandalwood
    3.6 cedarwood
    3.6vanilla
    4jasmine
    3.2musk R1
    Equals 18grams concentrate
    Then 42 grams ethanol

    I wasn’t sure how bad at math you are
  49. Thread: Rose otto

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    Rose otto

    How important to your palette is rose otto? Hermitage is going to have a very good deal on rose otto- but I have always stayed away from it because of the ifra .6% limit-because of methyl eugenol,...
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    Re: Depth & Complexity

    Wow Casper- thanks for the amazing post!
    I think bases are either in the base or top to bottom. Accords can be just top(fleeting) or mid.
    I , too , have asked how do they get a good oerfume to do...
  51. Thread: Blotters in EU

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    Re: Blotters in EU

    I use coffee filters, any paper, art paper- I spend all my time on strips and skin- I also cut some of the blotters in half lengthwise, use the very thin pieces that hold blotters in the book - I use...
  52. Thread: Tea Jasmine SFE

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    Re: Tea Jasmine SFE

    Hermitage has Jasmine tea co2 - and it is as you describe , and I too am obsessed
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    Re: Making a cake/cream accord

    https://perfumersupplyhouse.com/product/veratraldehyde-natural-99/
    Maybe one of the maltols, maybe honey signature, something a little boozy to elevate the vanilla, or almond/cherry top note
  54. Re: Homesick by Will Inrig - an open source fragrance

    That’s a lot f pine absolute
    Can I use civet instead of lactoscaton?
    His bottle is programmable? Talk about upping your game... sounds delicious
  55. Thread: Neroli

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    Re: Neroli

    Thanks Mike- yes hence my issue- I am ( gasp, thunder rolls) trying to work with a lot more naturals- and I can’t compose from just having learned them- especially if I am try different mixes, that...
  56. Thread: Neroli

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    Re: Neroli

    Thanks Mike , that is helpful. The reason I am diluting is to see what it is doing-when I compose using the demo formulas and tgsc recommended, it doesn’t help me know what’s going on- it just gives...
  57. Thread: Neroli

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    Neroli

    Hi - I have a half d time gauging how strong materials are. I have several nerolis, and I consistently love them -I have one that was prediluted, to an unknown dilution ( It’s aura cacia- and I was...
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    Re: Foray into Synthetics

    Welcome! Aroma chemicals generally are located my liver- and some are pretty diffusive, but there are sooo many, and their scent profiles run the gamut- not that easy to pick a few a new voila presto...
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    Re: Using Linalool/Other Constituents

    First one can purchase linalool derived from natural source , which really changes the character
    Using something that is high in linalool vs using linalool itself - not the same thing. I guess it’s...
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    Re: Starting a Perfume Business –– Advice?

    I think the fb perfume making group is more helpful for these issues-I see them discussed there often .
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    Re: Tinctured vanilla mistake

    How long have you been tincturing it ? It under a few weeks , just remove some alcohol- it will be faintly tinctured. The tincture grows the longer its left- you will loose aromatics if evaporating ,...
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    Re: Vetiver Materials - Building a Vetiver Perfume

    I like Vetiver w orange blossom, and chocolate
    Together or separately
    I could also see coffee flower and coffee although I have not tried that yet - definitely sandalwood to space it out on both
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    Re: Starting a Perfume Business –– Advice?

    First :Have you been complying with ifra when you compose? No judgement , cuz that seems like an endeavor in itself. If you haven’t, you will have to reformulate before considering, but if you have -...
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    Re: Natural Perfumery

    I haven’t read Mandy’s book-partially because of reviews here, partially because I am so prejudiced toward naturals- I need to focus on keeping it loose, but recently I was in a what the hell mood of...
  65. Thread: Lasting perfume

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    Re: Lasting perfume

    Nice!
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    Re: Natural Perfumery

    I hated diluting my materials- first because I don’t work big - I work tiny- and didn’t fancy having 400 tiny containers or more that would be very happy d to label and even have red to find again....
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    Re: Retail GCMS & component quantity

    I’m pretty sure if one was to do one of the old fashioned accords- (which had accords within accords ) even at low level - that would give little spikes all over the place- would have to figure out...
  68. Thread: Lasting perfume

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    Re: Lasting perfume

    You are trying to change the molecules you are using: there isn’t enough chemistry for that to happen - and ofcourse it isn’t possible to do anyway
    You will have to buy longer lasting aroma...
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    Re: Natural Perfumery

    I adore naturals- totally inspired by them- and perhaps if making just attars, maybe then all natural
    Many concerns-first sensitization, which has happened to me- and it is very unpleasant - it...
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    Re: Opinion and suggestion re Creating Perfume

    Would Susan give us the formulas for the accords ? Or sell them ? Or Alora sell them?
    Do they or have they ever sold banned materials? Or were the materials recently banned? And if so , have they...
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    Re: Mango leaf absolute

    The hermitage isn’t green like galbanum- it’s not that big to start- and when it grows it’s still less of a scent- the leather is a juxtaposition of green and sweet , probably a few other molecules...
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    Re: Mango leaf absolute

    Are you getting it from hermitage?
    I have it: I find it green with no sharpness, with a sweetness that isn’t strong- and that creates a new leather vibe, but it’s fresher than leather, it’s...
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    Re: Stale mineral, musty?

    C-18 for musty
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    Re: Ambergris Tincturing Technique?

    Tincturing takes times- I don’t think heat is your friend when it comes to aromatics , especially rare expensive aromatics- I googled and returned many articles in this in diy ...
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    Re: Color Association

    Thank you Julian- wow that was fun!
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    Re: My First Post! On the subject of ALDRON.

    Bill , they sell it so competitors can ruin each other’s businesses!
  77. Thread: Accord question

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    Re: Accord question

    I have saxony base from psh and because it’s gone through it’s changes - and it’s well built, no matter what I add it to, it will smell like saxony base. I don’t know if that’s the case for all...
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    Re: Ifra reg site - and software to input

    Thanks so much Sam , you have been more than helpful! It’ll come up again- someone will answer eventually. Till then I’ll muddle
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    Re: Ifra reg site - and software to input

    Sam thank you for the link
    It am not looking to sell- I am looking to use a lot of naturals, and since there can be many that have the same components, I need to keep track
    I buy from Eden...
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    Re: 33% Fragrance - 67% Etanol works?

    You said you essential oils- and a great of the components of essential oils are regulated- using that strength could give sensitition issues- especially if the perfume I used regularly- so you would...
  81. Re: Is It Possible To Make an Amber Accord with only EOS

    This is an amber accord from another member , I have made it and I really like it :
    Julien35
    AMBER ACCORD
    Labdanum Res. - 10.00%
    Benzoin Siam - 30.00%
    Peru Balsam - 25.00%
    Vanillin - 5.00%...
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    Ifra reg site - and software to input

    Hi - please I have two requests
    First can I have the ifra sites that show me banned, or amounts or perfectly legal.
    I keep getting into sites I am unsure of-
    Second I need to be able to input...
  83. Thread: "Powdery"

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    Re: "Powdery"

    I sense that what I am smelling is in my nose and mouth, some are high, some go in so low I almost cant perceive-
    But well developed aromas- have a 3D space they occupy-so while I identify rose,...
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    Re: The diffusivity-longevity conflict

    I know here are combos- my daughter puts on a spray of meltmyheart and the house fills with scent and it lasts hours- but if anyone knows the secrets - they haven’t been posting outright
  85. Re: Rose Absolute VS EO? A Question for everyone, if I make a Natural Rose Base for sale

    I love rose - and I like the rose petals but I feel like wardia covers that, as do many rise recreations- I would love a spicy or deep rose - -not big- more complex-so I guess more of a good Otto-...
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    Re: Labdanum Clear from P&N - worth it?

    Mine is clear no color- not cloudy- but I bought the dilution too - so I’ll check tomorrow- it’s out in my shop and it’s pouring and ( Florida)- a chilly 60f
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    Re: Adding Hedione to Fragrances

    Paul thank you - I didn’t put the misspelling into context
    Bkkorn thank you for the list
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    Re: Adding Hedione to Fragrances

    Ok I’ll bite: what is charismal?
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    Re: Labdanum Clear from P&N - worth it?

    Eden botanicals has clear labdanum absolute that is delicious- and easily dissolves in ethanol- the labdanum resinoid is extremely sticky, hard to dissolve and the aroma is less developed- almost a...
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    Re: New Perfumer needing help

    I reuse plastic- and glass - and syringes for small amounts of some stuff- I was hesitant to dilute- but really it’s the only way to go-but I dilute just what I am working with in small amounts- I...
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    Re: Damask Rose Absolute Gone Off?!

    Is it a rubber dropper? I have heard there can be issues, and so I’ve never used them- but the rubber can apparently degrade- idk for sure
  92. Re: Hello Guys i am new here need some help with what aroma chemicals should i get first

    Paul is right- but I have further thoughts.
    Unless you can spend 1000’s ( which everyone has - but bit by bit) you are probably going to want to buy things a bit at a time. You have to learn them...
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    Re: Damask Rose Absolute Gone Off?!

    I don’t think 2 months should make a difference, but who knows?
    How are you storing it? Is the cap tight- any loss of product? Is it in sunlight ? Is it hot? Is there a volume of air at the top of...
  94. Thread: Trace amount

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    Re: Trace amount

    Does anyone say trace for aroma chemicals?
    I only see it in Eden botanicals “used in trace amounts in perfumery”a different always took it to mean, this could mess up your formula but since...
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    Re: Dilutions for Test Blending

    I see what the usage is on thegoodscentscompany.com - for ambrofix it is ranging from .3 in a thousand to 1% which seems high because most are lower.
    This site is showing comparative amounts in...
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    Re: Norlimbanol, Okoumal and Cedramber

    Cedramber smells of dry cedar, fizzy scratchy, very strong diffusive- but the overall aroma is not big , just a very persistent dry sparkling cedar, that hits the back of my throat .
    Okoumal has a...
  97. Re: DIY steam distillation using a plastic vegetable steamer

    Dude! I hope this a joke :-)
    If it isn’t, you might start reading up on
    1) steam distillation- which can take hours , and at fairly high temperatures 180-200 degrees
    2) the amount of materials...
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    Re: Perfume DIY sets for children

    How old are the kids? My experience, children need tangible results. So if they understand what a perfume smells like, and want to make it, it might be easier to keep them focused. Kids who grow up...
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    Re: Perfume DIY sets for children

    Fragrance oil are , I believe, perfect for kids- because they are prepare accords- so I don’t know what mixing them does, but for diy candles, cosmetics ( bath products) th many sites probably have...
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    Re: Perfume DIY sets for children

    “and one, in particular, I have been really letting down because I can compose a good enough book scent. Thinking about sending old book tincture for a gcms at this point lol.”

    Hey RSG idk if you...
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