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  1. Thread: About lychee

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    Re: Vetiver oil blend

    Any indicators on what else might be in it? I remember years back on some perfume group I was on, supposedly Guerlain was ready to make it for $50,000 or some pretty crazy figure. From the notes and...
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    Re: Vetiver oil blend

    Vetiver is a lovely material. I love using it diluted down to 5% on my skin. There are so many types, from the smoky Indonesian to the earthy Brazilian variety to the nutty/earthy Bourbon to the...
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    Re: Clearwood Dryout Note

    Clearwood does have a strong earthy note to it. It does get amplified especially with some materials. For example some types of Vetiver really boosts the earthy note. I personally do not think it...
  6. Re: Dreamwood equivalent, maybe, without the captivity and at reasonable price?!?

    Ya I literally buy anything that has sandalwood as a primary note. But like you most of them leave me very disappointed. I literally cannot smell most newer sandalwood aroma chems, not even faintly....
  7. Re: Dreamwood equivalent, maybe, without the captivity and at reasonable price?!?

    Curious. I am not sure if this is a country thing or something else. But I tried the Isobionics santalol and it is like other Santalols...nothing. I checked with 4-5 other people around me also. Some...
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    Re: Fougère With Olibanum

    Before you try a full blown Fougère. Try a basic Coumarin and Olibanum combo. Those two make a beautiful accord. You might want to keep that as the center of the show and build around that. It works...
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    Re: Replacement for Grisambrene

    Grisambrene had a slight dirty note, kind of like the taste/smell of your mouth after you wake up before you brush your teeth. A salivaish note. With a dry labdanum note(this according to me is the...
  10. Re: What do you most appreciate about Robertet Rose Petals, vs. Other Rose Oils?

    Just chiming in, Jasmine and Rose have part of the stem included in extraction, some producers add more to increase volumes(heard this from attar manufacturers, I am not sure how prevalent it is in...
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    Re: About oakmoss

    Sensitization is not about how much, it is more about exposure. So the more you are exposed the higher the chances you have of becoming sensitized. I remember one of the major natural perfumers ended...
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    Re: Terre d'Hermes reformulation?

    I am pretty sure they removed Karanal also, in addition to the mosses. The original had both Treemoss and Oakmoss. Although I could not find where I read that.
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    Re: Maltol solvent

    I know this might be blasphemy in a perfumery forum but I use Propylene Glycol for the maltols at 10%. I have found it to work best. It kind of falls out of solution in other solvents like DPG or...
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    Re: Ice Cream Accord

    Thanks for that info. Usually with aroma chems there is some weird artifact of international shipping where a certain scent in a multidimensional aroma chem is prominent for a while. Usually after a...
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    Re: Ice Cream Accord

    Interesting you should say that. That is one material that I just could not get a vanilla note out of. All I get is rubber. I tried it 2-3 times and put it away. Never did try it in a blend though.
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    Re: Question about Civet Absolute(Robertet)

    Thanks everyone for those really insightful comments. I guess I will have to try other versions if I want to get a true sense of Civet.
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    Question about Civet Absolute(Robertet)

    I was just reading another thread and reminded of the Civet I have. I am curious to see if something is wrong with my version. Everyone talks about Civet being room filling in terms of the scent. And...
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    Re: Blotters in EU

    I have not bought their scent strips but liaison carbone sells it. I am not sure if that is a good price or not in Europe. But usually their prices are very reasonable atleast for the aroma chems and...
  19. Re: Tonquitone now available at LC - maybe the good stuff?

    Thanks for the information, Tonqiuitone sounds really interesting. I have putting off buying it from a local supplier. Lets see how the IFF version turns out.

    Vetyrisia sounds a little different...
  20. Re: Tonquitone now available at LC - maybe the good stuff?

    She has the version up on the site. It is the IFF version. I am not sure if IFF has multiple version though. I just ordered some recently, it will be a few weeks before it reaches me though, unless...
  21. Re: Anyone know where I can get a earthy Vetiver in small quantities?

    I am sorry, I mistyped. I am actually going for earthy loamy soil. I was thinking earthy when I typed dirt for some reason.

    But ya I do not get earthiness from the Cypriol I have, leather, dry,...
  22. Re: Anyone know where I can get a earthy Vetiver in small quantities?

    Hmmm, I do not get dirt from Cypriol at all. But then I only have the Cypriol heart version which is a clean up version. Will see if I can get some cypriol essential oil.
  23. Re: Anyone know where I can get a earthy Vetiver in small quantities?

    Ya and they used to have Vetiver Srilanka, but they do not seem to stock it any more unfortunately.
  24. Re: Anyone know where I can get a earthy Vetiver in small quantities?

    Unfortunately to me Pell Wall costed I think around 40-70 pounds(do not remember the exact number) and then there was the whole customs charges that is applied once things land. To put it into...
  25. Re: Anyone know where I can get a earthy Vetiver in small quantities?

    Thanks for that, seems like I have to contact them to get it shipped to me and shipping from the UK tends to be crazy expensive atleast based on my experience with Pell Wall. But I will give it a...
  26. Re: Anyone know where I can get a earthy Vetiver in small quantities?

    Thanks for that, I will see if I can find a source.
  27. Re: Anyone know where I can get a earthy Vetiver in small quantities?

    Thanks for the suggestion. Yes I have Vetiver Bourbon but it has more of a peanut note to it, not the loamy soil opening note I am looking for unfortunately.
  28. Re: Anyone know where I can get a earthy Vetiver in small quantities?

    To my nose the opening of Hatian vetiver is green with a touch of rot to it. It reminds me of foliage rather than earthiness. And hatian vetiver is probably the cleanest and lightest of vetivers out...
  29. Re: Anyone know where I can get a earthy Vetiver in small quantities?

    Thanks for that, I am actually going to be using geosmin in the blend I will be making, but it is not the right scent. The earthy vetivers have something more than gives it a loamy scent atleast to...
  30. Anyone know where I can get a earthy Vetiver in small quantities?

    The two vetivers that I know that have an earthy opening like rich garden soil are Vetiver Srilanka and Vetiver Brazil. Unfortunately it looks like Eden Botanicals no longer stocks Vetiver Srilanka...
  31. Re: Oh no... apparently I can't get Hedione HC. I mean the genuine stuff

    This is just my personal experience and I could not source Hedione HC(Firmenich) from multiple suppliers to experiment. But I remember originally getting a sample sized Hedione HC from TPA and it was...
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    Re: Vetiver, Vetiverol, Vetiveryl

    Based on Christine's last newsletter I guess your begging worked :) She mentioned she was adding Vetiver SFE to her product catalogue along with a few Tea SFEs. So thanks for that. I am waiting for...
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    Re: Does anyone have any musk xylol/xylene?

    https://nishantaromas.com/ has both Musk Xylol and Musk Ambrette. They usually sell 50g-100g if you ask them. Only thing, their shipping might be expensive. They are based out of India.
  34. Re: Hedione HC vs Bedoukian methyl dihydrojasmonate high cis

    Just for your reference Christine checked on the different contents of the cis isomer in the Bedoukian version compared to the Firmenich version. So basically a comparison between Bedoukian Hedione...
  35. Re: Where to buy Ambrox Super, Cetalox, Z11 in the UK

    Not sure if you get hit with customs now a days when you import from Germany. But https://liaison-carbone.com has Cetalox and Z11. She used to have Amborx Super. Might want to check with her and see...
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    Re: Australian Santalum Album Oil?

    It might be just me, but I am not sure if Santalol is what makes Mysore Sandalwood smell so great. I have Santalol from 3 different manufacturers and I literally cannot smell anything.

    I will buy...
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    Re: Australian Santalum Album Oil?

    You are absolutely right, I was looking for an amber bottle and did not read the last item.

    I really wish they shipped to me so that I can try it out, it does look reasonably priced.
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    Re: Australian Santalum Album Oil?

    Did you try Eden Botanicals Sandalwood Rare that they had a while back? It unfortunately went out of stock and has not returned. It was the best sandalwood I have smelled outside India. So close to...
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    Re: Amouage Jubilation XXV

    I have that GCMS result somewhere but I remember it being really bad. If i remember right it was a basic Perfume Apprentice GCMS. If memory serves me right according to the GCMS it was made up of...
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    Re: Ingredients with no CAS number

    I am curious, how do you judge the safety of a new molecule? I have tried a few aroma chems that the local chemical companies make and they are interesting. But I could not find any info on them on...
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    Re: The ultimate Sandalwood extender?

    Not sure if you saw this thread but might be worth checking out. Polysantol and Firsantol might be useful too. But again I cannot smell them so have to go by what others say about it.
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    Re: The ultimate Sandalwood extender?

    Unfortunately Brahmanol is one of those sandalwood aroma chems I cannot really smell. Javanol smells interesting in trace quantities and last for ages. Might work well to extend Sandalwood. But...
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    Re: The ultimate Sandalwood extender?

    Have you tried Dreamwood base? It is one of the best sandalwood bases I have smelled. This is my personal opinion but I think it is one of the best sandalwood replacers out there currently. But take...
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    Re: Can you help me find Heliotropex N (IFF)?

    I do not know if it will make things easier if you can import raw Heliontropin. But if you want to go down that route and get Heliontropin you can reach out to Nishant Aromas. These are the same...
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    Re: What kind of amber is in Dior Sauvage?

    Try a combination of

    Cetalox
    Ambermax 10%
    Ambrocenide (trace)
    Sylvamber (has more of an amber note compared to Timbersilk or Iso-E)

    Along with a clean patchouli note, maybe something like...
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    Re: Ysl m7 (2002)

    Jamie has a clone formula you can buy if you really want to make a duplicate without spending a ton of money getting your own GCMS and all done
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    Re: Cashmeran too earthy?

    I had a similar experience with Cashmeran. My sense of it was never in line with the notes other people got. I do not even classify it as a musk. I do not get anything related to musk from Cashmeran....
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    Tom Ford Amber Absolute

    I do not know if anyone here follows Christophe Laudamiel on Instagram but he put out from what I understand is the formula for Tom Ford's Amber Absolute. It looks a little too simplistic to be the...
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    Re: Benzyl Acetate

    That is interesting to know, materials can be so hard to judge when you do not know what they are supposed to smell like. I got linalool from two vendors and they smelled so very different, one was...
  50. Re: How do you build scents around aroma chems you cannot smell?

    I also find myself using less and less of the ingredients I cannot smell, there are so many options out there. Like I can smell the effects of Ambroxan and it can very quickly dominate a blend but I...
  51. Re: How do you build scents around aroma chems you cannot smell?

    Interesting. I guess that might be the only way I can build a perfume with sandalwood notes, with them as an supporting element rather than the main note.
  52. Re: How do you build scents around aroma chems you cannot smell?

    Thanks for that. I have never tried depending on someone else for a perspective on a scent. I will have to try it out.

    I think professional perfumers use a lot of trace elements. That is one of...
  53. How do you build scents around aroma chems you cannot smell?

    I was just looking at the Sandalwood Game thread and it got me thinking. I kind of got into perfumery because of sandalwood. I could not find good sandalwood years back and after reading a few posts...
  54. Re: Must (very) small businesses, like Etsy sellers, be IFRA compliant?

    IFRA is a industry body. It has no relevance to an approval/legality. When you do a legal assessment you will have to check against the laws not the rules set down by an industry body. IFRA is like...
  55. Re: Must (very) small businesses, like Etsy sellers, be IFRA compliant?

    Just a small correction there. I think two things are being mixed there. There is the law/regulations which the government puts up and there is the guidelines IFRA puts out. Laws are mandatory, you...
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    Re: Looking for a dry labdanum note

    I have Grisambrene on a scent strip right now to refresh my memory, in my notes I have it down as a slightly more dirty version of labdanum with a saliva note in it and a backdrop of dirtiness to...
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    Re: Looking for a dry labdanum note

    Thanks for that. Yes it is possible it might be a captive but I was thinking it might be generally available because so many different brands are using it. It might be a captive or it just might be a...
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    Re: Looking for a dry labdanum note

    Ya Orinox is one of those materials I cannot seem to use. It has a gasoline like smell along with a bone dry wood note that seems to dominate when I use it even in small doses. I got it because it...
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    Re: Looking for a dry labdanum note

    I have tried Grisambrene, love it as an ingredient. I generally use it in combination with Labdanum or Cistus. I did not think it had the right scent profile for what I want. But thanks for reminding...
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    Re: Looking for a dry labdanum note

    Ambrarome to me is more animalic and a really interesting ingredient to dirty up a frag. I have found it works really well in tiny doses in floral perfumes.

    But unfortunately that is not the note...
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    Re: Looking for a dry labdanum note

    Thanks for that. I did not know TPA had biolandes materials. Dynamone looks interesting. I will give it a try, thanks once again.
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    Re: Looking for a dry labdanum note

    Thanks for that. I tried Ambranum but like you said it goes in the amber direction rather than the labdanum direction. It is a beautiful material but not the note I am looking for unfortunately.
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    Looking for a dry labdanum note

    I am looking for this labdanum note. The best way I can describe it is like plain old labdanum but it lacks the resinous aspects it is like a drier version of labdanum. I tried the usual labdanum...
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    Re: Tamper Down IBQ

    I tend to use both at around .5% max. Pyralone(IBQ) sometimes lesser than that depending on the other ingredients in the formula. 2-isobutyl quinoline on the other hand I have used at around 1% in a...
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    Re: Tamper Down IBQ

    6-methyl quinoline is easier to use compared to IBQ, I personally like a touch of it in amber or coumarin dominant perfumes. Adds an additional dimension to the scent. All though you can dose it...
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    Re: Tamper Down IBQ

    If you have Pyralone the Symrise version is redundant atleast to my nose. I did not play with Isobutyl Quinoline(Symrise) much, just sniffed it on a scent stick and it was very reminiscent of...
  67. Re: Interesting on methyl cedryl ketone (some may do better skipping, based on ABC quotation)

    The double asterix means it is flammable and needs to be shipped by ground. I do not remember where I saw the legend but that has been the case for a long time and they became stricter with that...
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    Re: Any suppliers who have ripped you off?

    Just to set your expectations, their mitti attar is kind of dull. I am not sure if I am anosmic to it but I just could not smell anything.

    And something else the lower costing attars i.e. $10-$15...
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    Re: Buying ingredients

    Check out https://nishantaromas.com/. They are a pretty decent supplier They used to have an online store called CG Herbals but they closed CG Herbals down. Nishant Aromas sells in small quantities...
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    Re: Fighting Back Against The Fake Scent Boom

    I am going to take a contrarian and most probably unpopular view here. This scare mongering about clones/dupes is blown out of proportion. It happens everywhere, look at the the movie industry....
  71. Thread: Curry Accord

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    Re: Curry Accord

    Tabanon smells like Indian pickles to me. That with a touch of spices like tumeric/clove/cardamom/cinnamon might take you in the direction you are looking for.
  72. Re: Any idea on what top notes are used in Ateliers Gold Leather or Bryedo?

    Thanks for that info and you are right as usual, even my local suppliers do not have any butyrates listed at all. Will have to do some research and ask them and see if I can source it in reasonable...
  73. Any idea on what top notes are used in Ateliers Gold Leather or Bryedo?

    I am working on a scent that is focused on the top notes. I like Ateliers Gold Leather top notes and I am trying to build something similar. I get a similar note from the Bryedo line especially Bal...
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    Re: Base notes that hit the top

    Anything can be a top note...if you use enough. For example smell Tam Dao by Diptyque. A wave of Iso-E hits you in the opening. It has some where in the region of 40-50% Iso-E

    Every note has an...
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    Re: spicy accords

    Try an accord with Beta Caryophyllene, Eugenol and isoeugenol
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    Re: Isobionics Santalol

    Ya I just went back to Javanol, I had given up on Sandalwood for a bit and put it all away now I slowly getting back into using Sandalwood aroma chems more as its own thing rather than trying to...
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    Re: Isobionics Santalol

    Interesting, your perception of santalol is so very different from mine. Maybe I live in a place where Sandalwood aroma chems are the primary source of scent in a lot of products which causes a...
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    Re: Isobionics Santalol

    Thanks for the write up Bill. I am hoping to try Isobionics Santalol soon. But I think scent is based on memories/experiences and we have all experienced different things in terms of the scents we...
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    Re: Alternative to rose ketones?

    This might be just my nose but Firascone is not really a long lasting note, I have it down as lasting 30-40mins in my notes at 100%. To my nose Ethyl Safranate also has a damascone effect but again...
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    Re: Honey signature

    Thanks for doing this, just wanted to check. Any idea what the shipping charges will be? Can I assume it will be similar to what Pell Wall charges?
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    Note on PSH's Isobutyl Quinoline

    I saw Isobutyl Quinoline on PSH and assumed it was the normal Isobutyl Quinoline, I have Pyralone and Isobutyl Quinoline from 2 other vendors and they all smell similar varying slightly in odour...
  82. Thread: Dirty oud

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    Re: Dirty oud

    I am not sure if I smelled Tobacco Oud or Oud Wood but in one of them I remember getting notes of labdanum, specifically Ambrarome like notes. But it smelled cleaner. So you might want to give...
  83. Thread: Safranal

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    Re: Safranal

    Ya I have a problem smelling some notes, I have a similar problem with Orivone. According to all the documentation it is a mid to base note but I literally can smell it for seconds and then nothing....
  84. Thread: Safranal

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    Re: Safranal

    We seem to perceive materials very differently. I personally think Safraleine is heavy saffron with maybe hints of leather in the background. I barely get the leather note you seem to talk about...
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    Re: A good example of Oud?

    You can try Cypriol, I know more than a few designer Oud perfumes use it and call it Oud.That along with an amber chemical like Ambrocenide is what usually passes for Oud in a lot of western designer...
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    Re: Group buy on milligram scales

    This is my personal take and this is from someone who has not been around long enough to know what happened last time around or why the ban on group buys was put in place.

    But there are tons of...
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    Re: Nag Champa Incense

    This is what I remember talking to someone about agarbattis and nag champa specifically. It is a while since I talked to them so my memory might be rusty but basically they use the almadi or...
  88. Re: Looking for replacements and some help with a shower gel

    Thanks for that information. Any suggestions on places where I can read up on different shower gel options and what goes into it?



    Fair enough, I am doing a trial run right now to try and...
  89. Re: Looking for replacements and some help with a shower gel

    Luckily I am not in the EU so their stricter allergen and environmental laws do not apply to me. Although I usually try to stay within the same ball park as IFRA limits unless the effect is...
  90. Re: Looking for replacements and some help with a shower gel

    Thanks for that. One of the people I found that is ready to sell in small quanties for the initial trial run only sells Castile soap. Just for future reference and to see if they can manufacture it...
  91. Looking for replacements and some help with a shower gel

    First off I know this might be a little broad of a question and I am sorry about that but I am just trying out my first shower gel so any and all information is welcome. I am just brain storming...
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    Re: Cascalone is out

    Thanks for the information. Physeol also looks interesting along with Dreamwood. Now just need to find some place to get a sample
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    Re: List Of Perfumery Ingredients Suppliers

    You should use a mail forwarding service. I normally use https://www.myus.com/. That is what I do when shopping with WLA. They do not accept international cards on their site, but if you mail them...
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    Re: Is Liaison Carbone Gone For Good?

    I have seen them go into maintenance mode a few times over they years. Usually it lasts a few days to a week or so and then they are back.
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    Re: DIY Woody Beard Oil help!

    I think it is a hard problem for vendors even if they are trying to do the best job they can.

    Taking your example of sandalwood, I do not think a lot of non-Indians have actually smelled real...
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    Re: DIY Woody Beard Oil help!

    I think the problem is that perfumery is a minuscule part of the business, atleast for vendors around here. Their products are used more in functional products or agarbattis rather than in perfumes....
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    Re: Cigarette smoke note

    Try Indonesian Vetiver(has to be indonesian for the smoky top note) and a touch of Beta Damascone. The combination of those two always reminds me of an ash tray with burnt cigs in it.
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    Re: DIY Woody Beard Oil help!

    You will not run into the vendors I have a problem with. They all tend to be local to me. If I remember right it was Moksha.

    I do not think it is just about misrepresentation, I think it also has...
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    Re: DIY Woody Beard Oil help!

    I have not tried John Steeles Himalayan Cedar. I got Himalayan Cedar from another vendor but based on some other oils I got from there I am not sure about the quality of their products. So the my...
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    Re: DIY Woody Beard Oil help!

    I smell cat pee in the John Steele Atlas Cedar and Eden Botanicals Atlas Cedar I have. On a smelling strip the Robertet Cedar Atlas Heart barely has the cat pee note but I made a simple blend using...
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