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Looks good Mumsy :thumbup:

At first sight I think it would be especially beneficial for beginners.

It is certainly versatile. Time will tell if it's something that I, personally, could make a...

Thank you for taking the time to explain :)

Obviously I totally misunderstood...

Basically it's a subscription for a blind-buy sample of perfumery raw materials, right? Meaning that you are the...

Hi Mumsy,

Thank you for working so much practical stuff out!

I have a few practical questions, if I may.

Do I understand you right that 1 person sends out 1 material to all participants? And...

What mumsy says, dear :kiss:

And I'm so excited to see so many dear members joining in, really that's the best x-mas present ever!

Big hug for mumsy, I hear you. So excited, wish we could start...

Another potential PONK-er checking in ;) You know where I live :lolk:

Love the idea of building something outside BN, just in case of another black-out or whatever but keeping a life line here....

Well done everyone, I, for one, am grateful to have smelled your hard work! :vrolijk_26: Amazing how the same brief can give so different and interesting results :beer:

A special congrats to...

Feedback has been sent to Boye1 by pm. 1 day to go on Paul's and then my part is done ;)

Have fun with yours Mumsy & David!

Nizan, please re-read the OP:



The game is not over as not everyone involved had the time to complete the brief in time or to provide feedback due to personal issues. Each of us have different...

ColHP & Renegade, you've got feedback via pm. :vrolijk_26:

I like BN. But I also like fragrantica, MUA and several facebook groups.

Personally I have to prioritize, my time is limited.

I made some very good friends here and I deeply cherish my best...

Commercial perfumer here.

I don't mind regulations, IFRA nor EU. It's a huge and very important part of the job and flexibility for a commercial perfumer is key.

For outsiders it's impossible...

A post I did a while ago, it's not up to date, but it does answer your question: 2003
http://www.basenotes.net/threads/322549-IFRA-restrictions-and-EU-regulations-are-NOT-the-same-some-facts

PK's entry is also here :thumbup:

What % should it be diluted?

I received Boye1's entry.

And began testing and making notes on Renegade's and ColHP's ones :vrolijk_26:

So far no other perfumes have arrived besides the ones from Renegade & ColHP. I'll begin evaluating those timely entries next week and will pm my feedback.

Delayed entries will unfortunately mean...

Sorry to hear about that, Adam, hope you're okay. Glad there is a 'smell tank' available :dankk2:

Hope that PK's and Boye's entries will make it by Halloween :evil:

:dankk2: Renegade :beer:

No worries, Renegade, I am always grateful for mysteries :beer: Is it a raw material or your own composition?

I have separated the 2 and the Supergirl dilution is resting in a 'virgin' container...

Sounds great, Boye :thumbup:

I have received the entries from
ColHP
Renegade.

Thank you, Renegade for the extra mystery sample, that's some mighty strong stuff so I hope it won't smell...

Great to hear from you :thumbsup:

Sent you a pm with my address, please ask Mumsy's.

So the finalists are:
ColHP
Renegade
I.D.Adam
Pkiler
Boye1

Glad to hear from you, Paul :)

To recap, I've got confirmation that there are 4 entries, from:
ColHP
Renegade
I.D.Adam
Pkiler

Oh, before I forget, sending a dilution is fine, as long as...

Great, Adam! :thumbup:

Also my apologies if you have received my last pm 4x. I kept getting an error. The bug has been reported to the forum admin.

Hi guys,

It's me again, Iron Girl ;)

It's mid October and I only got confirmations from
Col HP
Renegade

Courtesy of dear Mumsy, when she did a count a few months ago is that these...

Hi guys,

Sorry for the absence busy busy...

The deadline of this project is long overdue.

In order to give you feedback in a timely fashion and before Christmas ;) I am setting a clear...

Just a quick hello from me, I am very grateful to Mumsy and David for lending a helping hand.

Originally I offered to lend a hand with the IFRA and EU stuff. Unfortunately due to lack of time I...

Well done, Pia! I truly hope you don't take the crappy comments to heart....

(and post/save this wonderful article elsewhere as well, as basenotes.net unfortunately keeps having technical troubles)

Personally I would love to travel anywhere, but paid work is just too busy (and I need to travel a lot for that as well so I can't complain).
For private parties ;) I'm more of a video conferencing...

Wow, that sounds like so much fun! I call these experiences nose-cake haha :birthdays:

Sounds like fun :) Love the pic :grin:
Violiff is not one of favorites, too harsh and metallic to my nose (the green violet leaves aspect), but I'm glad you made it work :beer:

Sounds real pro, thank you for clarifying :thumbup: Luigi is totally right, you need at least a LLC. For good and affordable advice for cosmetic start-ups in the US I would highly recommend...

Any time :kiss:

I agree with Bill.

As for my opinion, Adam, I simply answered your question:


Both as an allergy sufferer as a professional. I think your biggest problems in the US are initiatives like these:...

:tekst-toppie:



Agree with the bold.

Adam, you could take a look at this thread, right here on BN:...

Bumping this for another thread on DIY
http://www.basenotes.net/threads/407217-IFRA-Regulations-A-simple-question

Yes, I am severely allergic to fragrance ingredients (among many other things)....

Glad you started a separate thread W&T :thumbup:

When you have enough participants you send/pm me a count. Then you tell/pm me how big the samples that I send out should be (1 ml? 2 ml?). Based on...

Glad you liked my topic :)
Interesting conclusion though...

This is great advice:


Perfume is a cosmetic, something people wear on their skin. How can you be a professional and follow a sound...

Bummer, thank you for keeping in touch! If you need any help, please let us know :)



Sounds like lots of fun :) Please let us know if participating is still viable for you? You might be quite...

I missed this one, due to unexpected visitors... seems to happen quite a lot these days so Sundays/weekends might be a problem for me as well :(

Very confused right now... :huh: what was all the discussion and advice good for?

Hugs! (I didn't intend to sound mean spirited. It's a great idea, but still needs lots of work, so imho too early to promote it to a sticky)

Thank you for understanding. I will pass around a few samples of commercially produced living flower headspace reconstructions. It's not the lack of excitement, it's the dilemma between the costs...

Sorry W&T, I don't think that's a good idea. It's full of bugs, incomplete, inaccurate and personally I find it not user friendly for DIY purposes.

W&T where is the new thread on the Mumsy vs W&T method experiment?

I'll try to make it. I might tune in later cos it's diner time here, hope to get the room cleared with the best internet connection. Ow and using headphones is indeed most easy to follow, the echo...

Hi W&T :)
Please keep in mind that we are very busy people. Just like with a real client, you will have to make all the hard choices and present to us the result of your labour. While I personally...

Great to read your enthusiasm :)

Please for our sanity ;) restrain yourself to 1 finished fragrance per participant, at the end of the game.

I gather you are going for option 1 (50 materials...

Actually E2MB and EB have the same flashpoint (26 degrees Celsius). EB has an added risk of dermal 'toxicity'. Most esters should be handled with care. Hell, most aromatics. Please keep your head in...

Sniff away my friend ;)
'Toxic' is relative.
If you're referring to the aromachemical with CAS# 7452-79-1 here is the safety sheet from Vigon, read for yourself:...

Welcome to the game :beer:



Don't give away too much ;)
And please be careful with Ethyl-2-Methylbutyrate, highly flammable stuff, very volatile and toxic when inhaled so be careful to wear a...

Wow, that sounds cool! I have no clue, but I'll do my best and channel my inner Gemma Teller Morrow ;)



Good ideas :beer: I can only make safe to use perfumes (IFRA/EU compliant) though...

...

Must be getting old, but I can't make out what it is? A formula?

:grin: You fooled me ;) Thanks, I'll do my best!

Sure, you can team up :) Please do let us know when you entry a sample if it was a joint or an individual effort.
You can also do both: 1 individual blend, 1 group blend.

Sounds lovely, thank you :)



Interesting, thanks! What is Castrol R twostroke? ;)



Some interesting combinations, some frags I never heard of. Thank you for the challenging input :)

Sounds like a fun challenge, thank you :)



Very intriguing indeed, I'll see if that can work, thank you :)

Hearing you on Marvel ;)
Looking forward to your contribution! :beer:

Welcome to the secret garden, Paul! Enjoy :)

I can imagine the challenge to find a realistic rose or jasmine in modern perfume. Making one is very very very expensive and time consuming. Mostly cos perfumers tend to don't just imitate nature,...

Sounds fun, thank you for your thoughts! :)



Interesting! Maybe cos ginger materials are hard to work with (solubility problems)? I will try though, thanks :beer:

Fun, glad to have you on board :) Please do feel free and ask any questions!



Fun find, thank you, hun :tekst-toppie:
BPAL http://blackphoenixalchemylab.com/ does lots of comic stuff too.

@slniecko glad that I get what you mean :thumbsup:



Wow, thank you, you use totally different and surprising descriptors for 'cool', glad I asked! :vrolijk_1:

To my nose those descriptors...

:)
I felt very much inspired by the trailer of the upcoming series (see OP). Like a pop cultural mashup of the Devil wears Prada goes Wonderwoman goes Glee. And if you google images you get so many...

Sounds gorgeous! Thank you :)

What awesome advise from our brightest David & Mumsy, thank you, you are the best :beer:

And welcome to everyone joining in, I can't wait to smell your progress. If there are any other questions...

If you have an EDP at 20%, that would mean 0.02% pure absolute. To my nose that is definitely going to make a difference.
But I may have missed something: are you going with option no 3? You can...

Great to hear that :)

IFRA max 0.1% in the finished fragrance (thus depending on how much % your dilution is, you do the math what the % should be in the fragrance concentrate)
EU above 0.001%...

I agree with the bolded. But I disagree that price shouldn't be asked in the questionnaire as it was 1 of the pivotal premises of W&T: by making a tincture of the same quality in less time, this will...

Cool :coolold: I love menthol too! (sniff Vicks inhalers all day to 'clear my nose' in between smelling sessions if I don't have time for a walk outside) Did any of you smell Esprit du Tigre by James...

W&T, sounds good. I would strongly advise to include measuring 'quality', that is your most important dependent variable (on a scale of 0-100). And something like 'price': 'how much would you be...

W&T, I sent you a pm ;)
Bill, please let me know if you'd like to join?

And is anyone that expressed interest 100% sure they want to partake in this game?

Great points, both Bill and David, thank you. Indeed it all boils down to what, why, when and how.

And all these questions are context and client/market related. If a client wants a fast...

Dear David, you know that I cannot get cross with you :)

I really appreciate the dialogue. Let's hope W&T does too. Maybe you can offer some insight on what kind of criteria you as a perfumer will...

Bill & David, if I may.

W&T needs to make up his mind: what is the question you want answer to (experimental question)? What is the hypothesis?

This is what I understood so far, please correct...

I think you got the 2 mixed up? 2 different things, dear.

Of course if you go for option 1 you could use a tincture, I guess. Risky with customs, but your risk to take, sure.

Sounds nice, thank you :) Not sure what you mean with the text I've bolded...



Goes on the list, thanks :)



Nice, one, classy, thank you :)

Sounds nice, thanks :)



Love the idea, thank you for sharing, sounds beautiful :)

Hi guys, no worries, just me being a grumpy cat (too busy doing stuff I don't like)

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So here is the deal: I can do the 'blinding' of the samples, sure.

BUT...

W&T: it's your...

Whatever rocks your world, guys ;) My list was merely an example of typical sound sensory research. Please do whatever 'artistic' take on it that fits your purpose. If you need my help, I'm just a...

Your are welcome to join, W&T :) Non-flammable fragrance concentrate is preferred due to many postal restrictions. We wouldn't want your precious work to be destroyed by the customs...

Thank you, how lovely to hear the background of your request! I'll look into more information on this specific plant, especially its scent and the availability of perfumery materials that would be...

Thank you. Would you be so kind and elaborate on what you mean with 'deeper note'?

p.s. I'm already creating perfume and have been for years. I'm an eclectic classically trained perfumer so I'll...

Please feel free to brainstorm, so far everyone has been so kind :kiss:



Sounds good! May I ask though: why specifically 'dense Egyptian basil oil'?

I think we should give W&T a break. It's his theory and his to use for his own perfume creations (I just saw that you sell your own creations, W&T). If it works and you'll get very rich and famous,...

Hun, do take care!
(and thank you for the kind words, I hope to help you in some way to realize your dream)

W&T, for a good empirical experiment you need to make sure to describe in detail your...

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain in such depth, that really helps :)
I will do my best!



Sounds interesting. Valerian root essential oil is truly vile. Very very stinky. Thank...

Thank you all, most interesting and inspiring! :)



Thank you so much for elaborating, I'm beginning to grasp what you mean. This will be a lovely challenge in a personal way as well. As don't...

Hun, I just wrote about it in your other thread ;)
(sorry gotta go and mix some stuff)

W&T = short for Wood & Tobacco (I'm lazy)

If you want I can organize. Do blind testing matrices all the time ;)

Sorry, dear, didn't mean to sound depressed. Okay, maybe a bit overworked.
But sometimes I get this overwhelming feeling that the DIY peeps need a reality check.

I love my job. I love the rush,...

David, I understand what you mean. But I have data that leans more towards W & T: most unsophisticated consumers don't really care that much.

I think W & T that defining your niche (are these...

:thumbup:

Imho it's easier to learn things right from the beginning, then unlearn things you've done wrong for years and then learn the right away anew. (from experience, I began as an artisan and...

W&T, that data is available for free, on the website that PK provided. It's not flawless though and not always up to date, mind you.

Your idea is not new (okay maybe new for DIY), so I would...

That is a commercial attitude :beer:

I don't see the 'artisan' thing being a good fit though... If time is money then buying it from someone else, still makes most sense.

Mind you, dear, it's not all luxury fine fragrances. Most of my work is applied functional perfumery, think a face cream that smells of peaches, a handcream that smells of roses, an allergen free...

Thank you so much for your thoughtful answers, they are really inspiring :dankk2:



This sounds fascinating. Would you please care to elaborate? Thank you.

p.s. I'm not planning on doing a...

Wow, guys, I'm blown away!

So many great and interesting ideas, you are truly an inspiration, thank you :beer:

I'll get to work and please feel free to add on, the ideas are not limited to 1...

Hi everyone!

I've posted a similar thread on the 'Male Fragrance Discussion' subforum....

Hi everyone!

I've posted a similar thread on the 'Female Fragrance Discussion' subforum....

Sometimes. Imho not major anymore in most cases unfortunately. Major factors atm: trends, market, price, fast turn-around. You have to do the best you can to pay the bills. Sometimes I need to churn...

Totally agree. This discussion is a perfect example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricism vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_positivism

W&T, I wish you a wholehearted break-through, who...