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    Default PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    PONK is organised regular blind smelling practice for many levels of perfumers with a monthly mystery box of untitled materials.

    This is open house practice to learn and share information on BN. Those of you who do not wish to have a pre-prepared box can still join in.... but go to the relevant reveal first to get the right materials yourself, and then just join in the discussion on that thread.


    Module 5 is the fifth box in this series and this is the thread to post your smelling observations and comments.

    It is for practice and discussion amongst beginners and seasoned noses alike. You do not have to identify the material to join in. Just come on thread and say whatever you like. There are no barriers or judges here.

    The aim is NOT to guess the mystery ingredients....but to use your nose to contemplate it fully without that pressure to recognise the material.

    For this who have ordered one then look out for these landing on your mat soon (I hope)



    Nobody got the nose last time... but you might get this one.

    When you get yours, please do not spoil the fun for those without their boxes by saying what you think it is but by all means do post your thoughts and observations here. These modules are not usually about guessing the notes in the slightest.

    Each box contains the materials in numbered vials and the reveal is within the box in a semi sealed document. Partly for customs inspection reasons. Have a bit of fun and test yourself by smelling blind whilst making notes, but then wait and discuss before peeking.

    In this next module, the contents are related to the nose in a roundabout way. See what you think.

    After this post, then don't read anymore on this thread if yours isn't there yet (unless you want to).

    For an evaluation sheet, press this nose.



    BTW... Please do NOT test these on your skin but only on smelling strips.

    They are various strengths to suit each project module. These are sometimes concentrated chemicals at the end of the day and need respecting as such. Please only use smelling strips until you know what they are and how much to use.

    The dilutions are very varied in this box to illustrate the point. You'll see what and why.. Those that are above smelling strength and even at 20% will benefit from being diluted in ethanol to smell them. IPM has to be used mostly because of postage restrictions which is a wretched pest because in the case of the lowest dilution, it absolutely killed any scent, so I used what should be used. You'll know which one when you smell it.

    Don't rush these. There is plenty of time, and learning to smell isn't a race. Enjoy them.
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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Boxes are beginning to arrive abroad. Let me know when they get there.

    No harm in showing you the inside. This'll keep your noses busy for a while.

    Don't rush. Some haven't got theirs yet so no revealing just yet. Guessing isn't the point.

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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Hi, I'm new in PONK and this is my first module. Firstly I've to thank you for this amazing idea and secondly I want to apologize for my english.

    So, I see, I'm first with my impressions there. I started with phial number one and it is some ingredient used in men's colognes imho.
    Its fresh in beginning, very ozonic and little bit herbaceous.
    I can smell sweet and powdery tone also there, but mainly it's masculine component.
    After some time I can smell light nutty undertone also.
    There are so many nuances thus I can't believe it is only ingredient.
    Definitely there is very powerfull component in phial #1.
    Currently wearing: I by Puredistance

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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Hello, and what a really fabulous first post.

    You have indeed got a super nose because powerful is indeed what this is. There are some ingredients that are really high spirited things and need taming carefully, otherwise they will take over the whole show. This is one of them. In this box, this is at a perfume strength of 20%.

    The world of perfumery ingredients is a compelling one because any, and all materials, are like possessing the most fabulous box of olfactory paints. The pictures you can paint with them are as varied as the artists who paint with them. Ever fascinating.
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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Here are my reviews so far:

    Sample 1: Emotionally it smells like an old friend for I beleive it is one of the first perfume chemicals I ever had. But when smelling it, I mainly recognised it's emotional value but was wrong in my first guess. I know this is not about finding out, what material it is, but as a newbie to PONK it was a very comforting experience and I felt instantly at home with the whole thing.
    So sample 1 for me starts with sharp notes that could be well aldehydic and with that comes a very bright almost dazzling freshness. That's where I support the notion of "ozonic" by MirkaU, real ozone has the same kind of stingy feeling in the nose.
    While sitting on the strip, sample 1 softens a bit and floral notes (dare I say muguet?) wing the freshnes. Thanks to MirkaU I can smell the herbaceous angle that I suspect coming from the interplay of aldehydic and floral notes. Some aldehydes have a tendency to do flip-flops: they smell alternativlely fruity and stingy. This might lead to a floral/herbaceous flip-flop effect in sample 1.


    Sample 2: Before I give a description, I would like to lay out my terminology. Trying to adopt the general speach, I classify woody (e.g. Iso E Super), ambery (e.g. Ambroxan), and woody-ambery (e.g. Ambrocenide) separately. Although woody-ambery seems to combine woody and ambery notes, for me woody-ambery is only very loosly related to its etymological partens.
    Sample 2 is interesting because it hits a spot quite in the middle between woody and woody-ambery: both notes can be perceived and are well distinguished, sometimes they seem even unrelated. The woody note is strong enough to make some comfortable background noise and the woody-amber is weak enough to make the whole thing bearable. (I'm not a big fan of woody ambers.)
    After a while on the strip, the woody and the woody-ambery note begin to merge and the whole thing gets sweeter and also some soapy angles appear.


    Samaple 3: This one announces itself already when opening the sample bottle. This is a very strong one. And I was instantly sure of what it is. Then, when I smelled it something interesting happened: It was making "all the right noise", a sweet balsamic scent, cloying and addictive at the same time, not overly vanillic more spicy. Then suddenly I was struck by some resinous undertone (or rather overtone?) that appeared, leaving me unsure about the nature of the material. Still, this resinous (frankincense-like) overtone makes the whole thing more interesting. Over time, the resinous note gains in volume (and in churchyness). Maybe I find it interesting only because it's new to me or I havn't smelt it for a long time.


    Sample 4: Now comes a short one. On strip I don't smell anything. When applying it to skin, I get a rather weak non-distinct woody amber. Could as well be a contamination from sample 2. (Although I'm trained in good laboratory practice and thus avoiding contamination.)


    Sample 5: Again a short one. I smell very little when I put it on a strip. Something like sweet berry. Might as well be some side product from the synthesis.


    Sample 6: For me, this is a classic transparent woody scent (see sample 2 for a specification of "woody"). My nose seems to saturate quickly from it, which is new to me in the fields of woody scents. It is not real-woody as cedarwood but more abstract and transparent, lighter. Although it is not very intense, it gives a lot of volume and an impression of olfactory generosity and weight. And with time there are (again for me) re-appearing facets of lilly of the valley. I can also smell rosy-fruity aspects and later on it drifts slowly towards more ambery notes.


    I'm very curious about samples 4 and 5: I know I have some hyposmias, but never have I encountered a complete anosmia, or even two at a time.


    EDIT:
    So I looked up the solution to the samples (don't worry, no spoilers). Now I have more to say to samples 4 and 5.
    I own both materials already and I can acutally smell them quite well in higher concentrations. From my own smelling records I can add:

    Sample 4 (10%): A nose catcher with a general characteristic of wood and santal with aspects of urine, lavender and a damascone overtone. Later on less complex, woody-damascony with a lavender angle. I can weakly smell the 1% solution provided by PONK after sitting approx 30 min on the strip. My power ranking: 7/10

    Sample 5 (10%): A very strong and hissy woody amber with an apparent sweetness (this might explain the berry, that came across smelling the 0.1 % solution) and more ambery. My power ranking: 10(+)/10

    So I might be just less sensitive to them than mumsy.


    EDIT2:
    I made my own dilutions of Sample 4 and 5 in unaltered Ethanol 96%. Please note, that the following statements are not necessarily based on identical raw material as Mumsy's.

    Sample 4 (1%): My own Sample 4 is not as shy as Mumsy's, i.e. I can smell it already after two or three minutes instead of 30. It's not as strong as, say, Sample 1, but it is a clearly perceptible, interesting woody note in an Amyris direction (I'd call that a "brown woody".) Along with that comes a faint woody-ambery tonality, just strong enough to be perceptible, but still too week to overtake the lead. And I get an animalic connotation I cannot further qualify. Also, with time, there is a hissy note appearing and getting uncomfortably strong.

    Sample 5 (0.1%): And voilà, there it is. Not very strong (comparable to my sample 4), but there. After the ethanol has gone off, something interesting happens: when I start smelling, it smells dangerously close to two component epoxy adhesive. Once the epoxy smell staturates, a rather freezy feeling woody-amber comes foreward. After a few minutes this combo gives way to a stable, not very hissy but very typical woody-amber note.
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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    What a marvellous first post too. Hello to you here. It is very exciting to have some fresh noses in DIY to play smelly games with.

    One of the original discussions about Ponk was whether to put dilutions in the boxes or neat materials. It was decided that having them ready to smell was preferable to having to go off and dilute them. Some people do not have that facility. As you can see when you look in the reveal after your very astute observations, vial four and five are in extreme dilution to illustrate their comparative strength. It is interesting that you have a smaller sense of them than I did. It will be interesting to see what others think of this. I can make some of the same as neat material available to those who would like some.

    Looking forward to more observations as these boxes arrive. It is much harder to tell what something is when smelling it blind, especially when familiarity is present too.

    Another important factor is the diluent of IPM to comply with ridiculous postal regulations.... in most of these samples.... except no 5 where it killed the aroma stone dead and I replaced it with the 'proper' perfume diluent to allow it to show. Interesting that you think it doesn't and I shall smell mine again next to the IPM version.
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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    One of the original discussions about Ponk was whether to put dilutions in the boxes or neat materials. It was decided that having them ready to smell was preferable to having to go off and dilute them.
    I strongly agree. It is also a matter of comparability. Everyone would have to use the same solvent etc. I would never have expected anything other than dilutions. (It would also be interesting to have a blank sample once: do people really smell nothing when there's nothing there?)

    There are chances that I already own higher concentrations of samples 4 and 5. Furthermore, I'm really looking forward to reading other PONK member's posts, especially on 4 and 5. I'm looking for that special berry note I smell in the opening of "1 Million". The little bit I smelled in sample 5 could actually come close.

    Some additional information about me and sample 5: there are some pyrazines that I don't perceive as strong as suggested and more importantly also some laconic structure: γ-undecalactone, γ-decalactone, raspberry ketone, maltol, Ethyl Maltol, I all find them rather weak even at 100% concentration. Aaaand probably the nitro musks (but they're out of the game anyway.) So in case sample 5 was in one of those categories, it's rather my nose than the IPM.
    Last edited by filousoph; 22nd July 2016 at 09:16 PM.

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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    I've just gone and fetched the bottles to see. Both strips 4 and 5 are dipped and smell pretty strong to my nose. I would have preferred that everything went into ethanol for smelling but I am frightened of the boxes getting targeted by customs if I did. (Aside from not really being allowed to). I wish they could relax that regulation for small amounts, or allow it within a certain type of approved fireproof packaging.

    These are very strong to me. Both strips are hanging on the side of the table about a foot from my nose and together, are filling my whole studio with a dry papery amber woods.

    I'm going to have to go and smell One Million now to see what you mean. There is a remote possibility son no 1 might have it if I dare enter the sock infested room and look.... but maybe I'll save that pleasure until I ask him tomorrow.

    Strip five actually at least ten times as strong as strip four to my nose.

    Edit. Next day at 10.30am. Strip four still going as strong. Was probably just eclipsed yesterday with the side by side. Strip five has traces left..
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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    SLIGHT DIVERSION moment..... scuse us

    Quote Originally Posted by filousoph View Post
    I'm looking for that special berry note I*smell in the opening of "1 Million".
    You've got me curious on this.... I looked and in some, the notes say juniper berries, and another says blood mandarin (never heard of that) another blood orange (more likely), some reviews mention a bubblegum note.....

    curiosity killed the cat.... now really must smell it
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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    some reviews mention a bubblegum note.....
    In my nose this note smells like cheap strawberry bubblegum. (And blood mandarin sounds like a typical PR-Ingredient, like "oh, how exotic and yet familiar, this seduces me to buy the product!")
    Last edited by filousoph; 20th July 2016 at 10:55 PM.

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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Quote Originally Posted by filousoph View Post
    In my nose this note smells like cheap strawberry bubblegum. (And blood mandarin sounds like a typical PR-Ingredient, like "oh, how exotic and yet familiar, this seduces me to buy the product!")
    Bubblegum is a pretty recent pursuit.... See this wonderfully silly thread.

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/310965-Bubblegum
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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Hi everyone,

    I'm not a perfumer, but a fragrance enthusiast (maybe one day I'll make a perfume!). My reason for signing up to Ponk is I want to get better at mentally deconstructing fragrances, (for me this is a big part of increasing my enjoyment of them) by being able to recognise aromachemicals and notes more accurately.

    So, although I know figuring out what these substances are isn't the aim, I was kind of chuffed that I managed to get 1 and 3! I didn't know the name of the molecule for number 3, but I did recognise the natural material it is derived from.

    Other than that, the main takeaway from this set for me is that I may be hyposmic to some of these materials. I would only describe 1 and 3 as "strong". The others were at times almost vanishingly faint for me.

    Anyway, on with my impressions:

    1. Sharp, citrusy, very definitely there. Although there's something of the bathroom cleaner to it, I can also relate it to fine fragrance. In this form, at any rate, it seems to remain aloof from both of those categories – a simple, unpretentious blast of hesperidic freshness.

    2. To me, a transparent whiff of sweet woods. Clean, well-behaved, modern. No rough edges. Towards the lighter end of the spectrum. No stirring bass tones here.

    3. This is a gorgeous, rich, already perfume-like material. It seems incredibly complex, with a kind of burnt-sugar sweetness over solid mahogany. Patchouli-like. Resinous. The inside of an panelled room in a 17th-century house. There's something a bit barn-like on the periphery – that's a euphemism for a suggestion of manure. Gorgeous, ample stuff.

    4. I put a lot of this on the strip, but I'm straining to smell anything. If I really concentrate I pick up a thin, ambery wood, slightly more cedary than 2. Is my nose playing tricks on me, though? This feels like it might extend or bolster a stronger odour, but I cannot imagine it playing a starring role (at this concentration, at any rate).

    5. Again I'm struggling. Am I smelling the IPM (does it have a smell)? Or the paper? I'm not sure. If I had to describe what I do smell I would say a faint sweetness, with perhaps something berry-like in there, as Filousoph said.

    6. This isn't particularly strong for me, but I can detect it. It's a clean, silky amber, in a high register. I can imagine it accompany iris to smooth away some of the powdery facts of that note. Is there something approaching suede here?

    Thanks Mumsy!

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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    These are terrific observations too. One of the most important things about smelling blind is the complete lack of bias.

    The nose has to do ALL the work and it always knows its stuff when trusted to. The senses are far more highly developed than our conscious brains give them credit for.

    When we do smell perfumes as a whole, then it actually isn't that hard to deconstruct them if we let go of the preconceptions first and just TRUST that nose to do its job. It doesn't actually matter if you don't know the name of the ingredient you are smelling. The nose can, and will still pick up a sweetness for instance, and then the brain can be trained, upon finding the sweetness, to let go of all else and concentrate hard upon what sort of sweetness. To ask questions to itself. Is it a dry sweetness, a caramellic sweetness, an almond sweetness, a haylike sweetness etc etc. Upon that recognition type of questioning, then the ingredient or group of ingredients isn't that hard to track down.

    We used to play the best game ever on this forum in the perfume section. Every month(ish) we did a massive international blind sniff. It involved a set of three perfumes around a set theme, three nominated sniffers, and two controllers who provided the samples and the answers. The other BNers would ask questions to the 'sniffers' to steer their sniffs to a perfume they believed it was to seek the truth. Yes or no, were the only answers the controllers and sniffers were allowed to give with only a little guidance when the seekers got lost. When two sniffers arrived at an ingredient as the result of being steered by the questions, then the controllers were allowed to confirm or deny the ingredient within. It involved mammoth amounts of sleuth work and massive concentration for about three days solid each time. It was the best game there ever was and the postal regs utterly ruined it. I hope this game gives back something of the special nature of that game when sniffing perfumes blind.

    (I still really miss that game girls, and you know who you are.)


    EDIT

    I will take note of these observations at the lower dilutions for future reference, and perhaps provide another vial of a stronger version in the future boxes where I wish to illustrate the power of lower dilutions. I thought these were still incredibly strong there, but forgot my nose is probably more receptive than it used to be. These boxes will evolve like that to the best solution. Point noted so thank you.

    If anyone would like another vial of a stronger version then ask me and I will send it in the next box if you are having one or make the vial available otherwise.
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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    All I can add is that at least one of the ingredients in this set is notoriously difficult to evaluate, as it tires the nose very quickly. Keep on coming back to the strips you cannot at first smell, and see what happens (if anything).

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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    What a box! This was a difficult one - a nice challenge.

    As a fairly new nose I found that most of these fatigued me quickly - particularly 4 and 6 ( one sniff and that was it!)

    1 - Colourless and not viscous. Strong citrus - tangy. quite fresh and clean. Yellow/green. No nasty undertones, which some similar scents can have. Short lived in the nose. A touch artificial - quite linear. Sweet lime-ness.
    Would probably work well in a floral fragrance - alongside citronellol and geraniol.

    2 - Colourless and not viscous. Warm and delicate - ambery and smooth. Rich. Velvety and natural. Quite muted. A slight harshness on first sniff - can only describe as slightly ammonia like.

    3 - Yellow/amber in colour and not viscous. Woody and papery. Stale and old. Musty. Old pencil shavings. Similar to the scent that molecule 01 gives on my skin, but much stronger and more pronounced. This makes me think of boredom on a rainy day. Not pleasant. Almost like digging out old pencils (where the eraser has cracked from age and heat).

    4 - Colourless and not viscous. Sharp and ambery. Slightly ammonia-laid. I fatigue quickly on this. Soon seems muted and more subtle than 2. May be concentration related. I went outside to smell this and it had a fresh/woody/herby/floral character. Regardless, is quite dry.

    5 - Colourless and not viscous. Very ethanolic to start - assume this is solvent. After this has passed, it is ambery - woody and dry. quite sharp. powerful. hint of artificial grape?

    6 - Colourless and not viscous. Sweet floral, silky smooth. Dry and woody. Again, amber like. Fatigue waaaay too quickly on this. One sniff and I was at a loss.

    This box lives up to its name: powerhouses! These were all powerful, even in IPM. I fatigued very quickly on these so it was difficult to examine all of the nuances in a thorough way.
    I enjoyed this box - it was difficult! It also highlighted how unfamiliar I am with amber like scents.

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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Fantastic appraisals. Having the freedom from knowledge really helps the nose do all the work in peace. Your nose knows.

    Something that might help with evaluation if something isn't registering to your nose, is to dilute it even further by adding a small amount of perfumers alcohol. (measured preferably). The IPM dampens the aroma because it doesn't 'lift' like ethanol does.

    The 20% versions can be made into 10% by adding the same quantity 1:1 again of perfumers ethanol
    10% can be 5% by the same again 1:1
    The 100% can be diluted to 20% by adding in a 1:4 ratio or a 10% by a 1:9 ratio
    The 1% can be added to make 0.5% by another equal amount to itself.
    The 0.1% already is diluted with the correct suitable solvent (hmm hmmm... I only had some already in it..... shhhhh)

    Tha last material will tire your nose in one sniff. The molecule is a large one that will block your smell receptors. Put it on the strip and walk out of the room or place it under a glass. Then return to smell it again. It works as a sillage within your perfume and is one of the perfumery materials that leaves the 'what is it' trail behind you.
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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Blind observations thus far:

    #1 (20%)
    Ozonic, fresh, aquatic. Intensely clean. Masculine, "sport" fragrances. Metallic. Strong, diffusive. Citrus and somewhat floral.

    A very familiar perfume note. Pleasant enough in the right context, but with the potential to smell too clean, sterile, synthetic.

    Colour: silver/blue.

    1hr: same
    12 hrs: has mostly evaporated, no significant change in odor.
    24 hrs: nothing


    #2 (100%)
    Dry woody. Difficult to smell (at this strength?).

    Colour: beige?

    5 mins: dry woody, slightly ambery, clean. Pleasant enough. Slightly bergamot or just imagining?

    1 hr: same. Slight creamy nuance?
    12 hrs: stronger dry woody - trigeminal effect
    24 hrs: still pretty strong dry woody
    36 hrs: same, seems weaker


    #3 (10%)
    Sweet labdanum, burnt, almost caramelic. Pyrogenic. Resinous, balsamic.

    Has pleasant and unpleasant elements. I like the slightly smokey, incensey facets more than the oily, greasy, animalic ones.

    Colour: reddish orange-brown.

    1 hr: ambery undertone coming through.
    12 hrs: oily plasticy labdanum
    24 hrs: still pretty strong, greasy animalic sweet leathery labdanum
    36 hrs: same


    #4 (1%)
    Very difficult to smell. Faintly woody/musky, with a thick/opaque feeling.

    Colour: none

    5 mins: odourless.
    10 mins: faintly dry woody ambery.
    1 hr: same - faint.
    12 hrs: still difficult to smell, dry woody amber
    24 hrs: can smell more clearly, dry woody amber, less nose tingling than #2, still faint
    36 hrs: not really smelling anything


    #5 (0.1%)
    Sharp dry woody incense. Immediately easy to smell. Quite strong considering concentration.

    I find this quite attractive at this strength. I can imagine it working well with olibanum. Will have to try it.

    Seems to be a shorter lived dry-woody amber to me.

    Colour: yellow, beige, brown, grey

    1 hr: considerably weaker, very faint now
    12 hrs: very faint dry woody
    24 hrs: odourless to me
    36 hrs: nothing


    #6 (20%)
    Damp, smooth, ambery. Sweet balsamic woody tonality. Easy enough to smell, even though it has a transparent feeling. Quick onset of olfactory fatigue, however.

    I found this the most immediately pleasant of the six. Can't imagine many people not liking this.

    Colour: deep, saturated tones of red, orange, brown and black.

    5 mins: strong, very pleasant. Sweet, woody amber. Slightly powdery.
    1 hr: same - great strength and clarity. Quick olfactory fatigue again.
    12 hrs: strong smooth sweet balsamic woody amber
    24 hrs: same
    36 hrs: same, still good strength

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    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    I think the IPM has murdered no 4's more radiant qualities. It blossoms in ethanol at that strength. I reckon adding it 1:1 to perfumers alcohol and making it 0.5% will enhance them again. I'm off to do just that and see. When you see what it is, then you will see, as i'm sure you will already have that material yourself.

    IPM did that to no 5 which is why I left it as it should be.
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    Have just checked the reveal and indeed I do already have #4. And yes, I agree it is very easily perceptible at 1% in ethanol. Interesting – I would not have expected it to be so dulled by the IPM.

    #2 is one that I had never smelled before.

    Still trying to figure out who the nose belongs to! When I first saw it I thought of Alfred Hitchcock for some reason, but that wouldn't make much sense would it? I'm guessing it might belong to a boxer, but I'm not great with sports and the boxers I can think of don't seem to match it. Then again, boxers noses seem to change in every photograph. Could it be Ricky Hatton?

    Other than that I thought maybe Obama or Putin, but it doesn't seem so...

  20. #20

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    Not Ricky Hatton. Not politicians. No boxers as such, although that nose had to learn to, in order to get into shape. The site gives one clue.
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  21. #21

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    Ah... a certain D.C. ?

  22. #22

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    Nose nailed...... Congratulations.

    It surprised me too that the no 4 was so dulled. It brightens up after drying a bit.
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  23. #23

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    Wouldn't have got it without the clue. A distinctive nose though, for sure.

  24. #24

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    I got box 5 yesterday mummy. I look forward to working through the vials. Nice job as usual.

  25. #25

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    Finally through to your neck of the woods. Good. There are a few more playing with module 5 so it is very interesting indeed to get the blind sniff notes. When enough people comment blind, then the truer odour profile gets described to my mind.

    For those who ordered back boxes, the mod 1's went out but the others will be slower to assemble due to a broken wrist preventing fast output. I'm on daughter power.
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  26. #26

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    Ponk Module 5

    1 Got this one right away. So distinctive and in so many things, especially home cleaning products.

    2. Difficult to smell, Hedione? Get’s easier to smell and much like number 5 after a couple of hours.

    3. Labdanum. That was my guess. In fact this is a refined form of labdanum.

    4. Very faint but hinting of an Axe ingredient, again sim to Amber Ketal, but more ozonic.

    5. Very buzzy at first, woody as they say, Okuomal, Poivrol, Amber Ketal, Timberol or Vertacetal Coeur? Dies off after an hour or two.

    6. Lovely fruity sweet warm musk, so familiar, like Iso-E-super. In fact after looking at the reveal and looking it up, this IS Iso-E-super more or less.

    The theme here seems to be men's deodorant, or to be more generous, a fine fragrance for men.

    Thanks again Mumsy!! Really enjoyed it.

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    I truly, truly apologise for the slowness in PONKs progress of late. I am being temporarily severely hampered in all the cutting and making of the innards by this broken arm. I'm afraid I really underestimated the initial and total lack of ability in a limb with no structural strength. I just thought after a break, a plaster cast got bunged on and then it pretty much behaved as normal....oh so wrong. I hadn't allowed for pain nor swelling nor nuffink.

    It's getting back to being able to move fingers, but they still can't undo a cap, nor cut, nor grip scissors, nor twist the wrist to pick things up. I've been so clumsy too, knocking bottles over et al, luckily so far with caps on.

    I'm getting on with it folks but it's really rather slow at the mo.... so I will speed a few PONKs up when the plaster comes off on the 13th Sept.
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  28. #28

    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    No rush. We have all the time in the world...



    Hope it's healing OK.

  29. #29

    Default Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    ...when the plaster comes off on the 13th Sept.
    Oh... I'd like to draw something on your plaster... how about... ummm... the structure of Paradisamide?*I find it (also)*chemically rather aesthetic.

  30. #30

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    Oh I am so sorry that you are having to endure this pain Mumsy. No worry about arrival When it gets here, it gets here.




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