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    Default Tom Ford, Remaking The Same Fragrance, & Tom Ford for Men EDT v Gucci Envy (and Fougere d'Argent!)

    I posted this over on fragrantica but maybe it would be better suited here.

    It's an observation I made about a year ago and I wonder if anyone else feels the same way.

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    I wore TFFM for a few years and it became an interesting stylistic or 'conceptual' comparison when I tried Gucci Envy a few times - but it's not an obvious comparison in terms of scent.

    TFFM is not a replacement for Envy. It is not a 'smells a like'. It does not smell like Envy 'in the first half hour'. Do not buy TFFM and expect it to be any way similar to Envy, or an adequate replacement, or buy it and think 'well, if that's Envy, what's the fuss?'.

    Envy and TFFM share a STYLISTIC TEMPLATE - an idea. In the same way that Creed Anvetus and Terre d'Hermes share a similar idea of citrus on top of earthy-spicy dirt. Or another comparison which I've noticed recently which some may not immediately perceive, of taking the same idea and producing different scents: Le Male Jean Paul Gaultier, Eros Versace, and Invasion Barbare MDCI Parfums.
    Gucci Envy and TFFM don't smell all that similar. They smell marginally more similar than TdH and Aventus do to each other, but less similar than Eros does to Le Male and IB (IMO).

    What is shared between Envy and TFFM is the IDEA of a rather pleasant yet old school (probably 70s through to the early 90s) cologne type fragrance that is updated to the contemporary demands and style of fragrances at time of release: something that is almost like an upmarket aftershave. Given that there are 10 years between the respective releases, that contemporary style is quite different between each! I suppose you could even say Tom Ford pre-dated the 'nugere' trend we're in in the moment, albeit I think that is doing something else, something less sexy and artistic and more...affected and tryhard (to reclaim a lost masculinity, but that's another matter). Both scents evoke something pre-powerhouse, something that isn't overly barbershop and harsh or dank and leathery: neither fougere nor chypre but using elements of both. A 'mid' cologne - the amber coloured kind that have been spoken about before. Safari by Ralph Lauren might be a good comparison, there are no doubt plenty more. Yardley Gold and Mandate Eden Classic are others that would be a 'true old school' comparison I'd make but perhaps others who have more old school experience would be able to think of a more accurate, perhaps less pungent, examples.

    In essence, the shared notes both Envy and TFFM are built around are ginger and tobacco - but that's about it. The ginger is the distinctive element. The tobacco in both is soft, to the point where most people aren't even going to pick it out, but rather sits as part of a 'deep' masculine accord in the base without really being discernible - and for anyone wondering, yes, https://fimgs.net/mdimg/perfume/m.1172.jpg Tom Ford for Men Tom Ford is closer in overall smell to The One for Men Dolce&Gabbana than it is Envy for Men Gucci, and VASTLY more alike Vera Wang for Men than Envy. That's because the tobacco isn't prominent, it's not distinctive, but it is the heart around which a rather 'clean' yet masculine nouveau-cologne is built - while the ginger is present in both, it's not dominant enough nor isolated enough to make the differences irrelevant; if you want to know what TFFM smells like, buy Vera Wang. They're very close.

    I'd say Envy is more akin to a true fougere than TFFM and the colour reflects that: it goes green and if not quite minty then it's significantly more herbal in the top. TFFM has florals, not herbs, and feels warmer and lighter - and significantly more citric. That big, long note list for TFFM? Good luck smelling 2/3rds of it, they're just not there in any distinct manner, more like they play their part in one of the main accords. The colours of the fragrances actually mark the differences well: brighter and warmer with more amber sweetness for TFFM, and greener, fresher, and more herbal for Envy. However Envy also has a smoky, pseudo 'incense' drydown with a synthetic sandalwood in the base. It smells like an impressive take on an aftershave in that sense: like the herbs giving way to the deeper, masculine base. TFFM falls apart in the base in all honesty, it becomes incredibly synthetic and its poor longevity is probably a good thing because it ultimately becomes cloying. It has a 'clearer' base. almost like a mix of transparent woody floral notes and then a synthetic indistinct sweetness: it's not smoky at all, it's all cedar and florals and most importantly synthetic musks and at this stage isn't like an aftershave and is certainly not like Envy. You might even find it powdery at times. As I say, TFFM is cloying on me and if you don't like ISO E Super or generic synthetic white musk, avoid it, because the base is packed with the stuff.

    It's the IDEA that bonds the two fragrances together. Not the actual smell in any disctinct or meaningful way. In my review I explained this as Tom Ford being someone obsessed with the cyclical nature of the past, a man absorbed in recreating the 70s through particular and an idealised forms of masculinity from the era. In that sense, I feel he has made MANY fragrances over and over again (I'm sure I've referenced those in another of my reviews but even in the modern iteration of his house where, no doubt, he has less and less control this is still happening). I would also say he's had another crack at making 'this' type of scent in the last few years in the form of Fougere d'Argent.

    I say this having worn TFFM for years and being bitterly disappointed with both its performance and its reformulation around 2014ish (it used to be much less cloying, I'm sure of it).

    If anyone suggests that Envy can be replaced by TFFM - don't listen to them, don't waste your money. They are misunderstanding (and trying to imitate) my point in comparing these fragrances. These are not like for like in any way; there is a shared 'sense', which is different to a shared 'smell'.

    TFFM is much more feminine than Envy as well - so bear that in mind if you do try it. Envy smells like the 90s to me, I knew someone who wore it. It smells like a really nice 'everyman' fragrance in the best possible way. TFFM is very much in keeping with the 00s trend of ambery colognes, rather than the more oriental ambers we think of now, and while I'd call it one of the most important releases from the house and almost a reference point for retro-modern fragrances, it's by no means a 'replacement' for Envy unless you're willing to pivot in to something much more modern, feminine, and 'different' in the truest sense: notes. Envy also has a 'true' dated quality in the composition which is hard to sum up but it basically smells like the 90s: Egoiste has it, plenty of other fragrances from the era have it. If you know what I mean, you know.

    Also, if you really want a curveball - Fougère d’Argent Tom Ford is AT LEAST as similar toEnvy for Men Gucci as Tom Ford for Men Tom Ford, if not moreso. It's much more along the fougere lines of the 'new aftershave' type and fits in to the modern nouveau fougere trend (like Beau de Jour). And while the dry sweetness of the tonka won't be for everyone, and is a different sweetness to the warmer kind of Envy and TFFM, it's the ginger and 'pseudo smoky' base note (no tobacco, allegedly, but the labdanum and fake woods have a similar effect to that of Envy's base) that is once again at the core. As I said, Tom Ford keeps making this fragrance over and over - and it's THAT which binds TFFM and Envy together. It's like he has made the same fragrance in 3 different shades or tones. They're all good in their own right, all different from one another to by no means be classed as clones or even 'rip offs' - but the IDEA or CONCEPT or TEMPLATE; that's what binds these scents together and I'm certain it has Tom Ford at the heart of that creative decision.

    Anyway, interested to hear any thoughts on this, and also I suppose Tom Ford's general tendency to cannibalise some element of his own previous work in order to regurgitate it in to something newer and more appropriate for the era of its re-release.
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    Default Re: Tom Ford, Remaking The Same Fragrance, & Tom Ford for Men EDT v Gucci Envy (and Fougere d'Argent

    I agree that Tom Ford is more of an iterative creator than an original creator. He likes refining and re-issuing his favorite ideas in different form. Most of the reason I suspect the Tom Ford LVMH men's canon has been retired across all the brands (Gucci, YSL, etc) is because he had some stake in them as things he enjoyed wearing himself, and "took his ball and went home" when jumping to Lauder.

    YSL remade M7 as M7 Oud Absolu because it sold, and Gucci kept PH II around until the manufacturing contract ran out, but literally all the rest were sacked in time (Rush for Men, Envy for Men, Rive Gauche for Men, so on) because after a point, there would probably need to be negotiation with Ford and L'Oreal wasn't about to prostrate themselves to a competitor to keep making product. Egos run high in the fashion and cosmetic business.

    Many a discontinuation are politically motivated by people leaving, or new people coming on board that want to reimagine the brand in their own vision, what ones aren't killed by IFRA at least. Actual falling sales has little to do with it, or else Calvin Klein wouldn't still flood the discount market with their 90's stuff nobody really wants anymore.
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    Default Re: Tom Ford, Remaking The Same Fragrance, & Tom Ford for Men EDT v Gucci Envy (and Fougere d'Argent

    Interesting read! I haven't found any structural similarities between them though.

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    Default Re: Tom Ford, Remaking The Same Fragrance, & Tom Ford for Men EDT v Gucci Envy (and Fougere d'Argent

    I very much enjoyed reading the insight the OP provided about the two scents regarding a similar stylistic idea.
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    Default Re: Tom Ford, Remaking The Same Fragrance, & Tom Ford for Men EDT v Gucci Envy (and Fougere d'Argent

    TF has a Stylistic template for his fragrances, and it’s one I happen to love which is why his fragrances click with me more often than not.
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    Interesting take. Unfortunately I have never tried Envy, but I can see your point through other comparisons. Will try it and share my thoughts if I get the opportunity,

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    Quote Originally Posted by H_West View Post
    Interesting take. Unfortunately I have never tried Envy, but I can see your point through other comparisons. Will try it and share my thoughts if I get the opportunity,
    Envy was an absolutely fantastic scent.

    Floris Santal is a slightly more polished version of it.

    I wore the hell out of it in its day.


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    He's not a perfumer, and I think the Tom Ford brand as it stands feels less like a true standalone than just a curated, premium line within the broader Estée Lauder aesthetic (if you try a lot of Estée Lauder stuff from the last five or six years, you'll see what I mean), but his stylistic obsessions are on display for all to see.

    Tom Ford may be preoccupied with the 1970s, but it's not his only obsession. What I'm leading up to with that comment is Tom Ford's desire to riff on/evoke the earlier classics of French houses like Caron and Guerlain speaks to a nostalgia for the kind of Hollywood glamour that he enthusiastically speaks about in interviews. We've had how many quasi-Shalimar/Habit Rouge things from Tom Ford now?

    I'd argue that while Rive Gauche might feel like a successor to Azzaro, it really is an attempt to evoke a kind of lineage of style that goes back further than Azzaro. It's like a modernized, sleeker Azzaro with a dose of nostalgia for Cary Grant's Hollywood.

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    I bought a bottle of TFFM before the summer.
    It's the only TF fragrance I own.
    To be honest I love it.
    I don't remember how the older bottles compare but if look at the bottle in the light there are not only oils but tiny pieces of something floating all over maybe the ginger? All that aside it does not smell synthetic to me at all.
    In fact , it smells quite natural. I do not think the performance is bad like others say. I would like to have a bottle from ten years ago to compare just out of curiosity.
    I'm sure there are aromachemicals in there just maybe more high end?

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    Seconding the opinion that Envy is a great scent.
    Thus likely and/or tempted to test almost anything remotely similar by TF, possibly even considering a price markup (albeit if not exceeding the going rates for vintage Envy)
    to at least partly recreate the Envy experience somehow.
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    Default Re: Tom Ford, Remaking The Same Fragrance, & Tom Ford for Men EDT v Gucci Envy (and Fougere d'Argent

    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    He's not a perfumer, and I think the Tom Ford brand as it stands feels less like a true standalone than just a curated, premium line within the broader Estée Lauder aesthetic (if you try a lot of Estée Lauder stuff from the last five or six years, you'll see what I mean), but his stylistic obsessions are on display for all to see.

    Tom Ford may be preoccupied with the 1970s, but it's not his only obsession. What I'm leading up to with that comment is Tom Ford's desire to riff on/evoke the earlier classics of French houses like Caron and Guerlain speaks to a nostalgia for the kind of Hollywood glamour that he enthusiastically speaks about in interviews. We've had how many quasi-Shalimar/Habit Rouge things from Tom Ford now?

    I'd argue that while Rive Gauche might feel like a successor to Azzaro, it really is an attempt to evoke a kind of lineage of style that goes back further than Azzaro. It's like a modernized, sleeker Azzaro with a dose of nostalgia for Cary Grant's Hollywood.
    Of course he's not a perfumer but he's a highly involved and 'self actualised' (you might say controlling) artistic director, among other things. The idea that he, personally, filters down what he wants his brand to be, or that his employees who do more of the specific leg work in these areas have very much learned his particular wants and needs by now seems entirely plausible if not outright sensible to me. He doesn't need to be the one making the actual fragrance to have a large creative input on what his company produces. I mean even Jeremy F'ing Fragrance is an artistic director in his own sort of way - he will have told Morillas' company to make some sort of Aventus clone with ambroxan freshness and 'big' performance. And while TF might have changed in the most recent years with the way the house has taken on a very...particular...commercial approach to both design and release of fragrances, there are clearly some fragrances, like Beau de Jour, that have that particular 'signature' to it that are hard to imagine coming from any other house even within EL. After all, he was the one who was at YSL when they released Rive Gauche. Given that Beau de Jour was pulled less than 6 months after the private blend was released (I first heard the rumours in May/June of 2019 I believe) I can't help but think, even if the signature line fragrance was planned, that Rive Gauche's discontinuation was a trigger for TF to 'recapture' part of the market that was lost when YSL axed RG, hence releasing BdJ much more affordably for the median earner.

    And yes, his whole shtick is very much retro classical Hollywood glamour but his clothing in particular is very 70s inspired. Yeah, there's 80s influences in there, and things from earlier in the 20thC, it's not like he's a drone working to a line of code, but it seems (at least to me) evident that his early impressions as someone who came of age in the 70s have made such an impression upon him that it is the era he is constantly trying to 're-live' within in his creative work.

    In that sense, I feel like the early years of his brand and of course his time at Gucci are an excellent base camp of where he 'is' as a creative. And, for me, it's not unsurprising that Gucci Envy and Rive Gauche - two pillars from that base - now exist in the TF signature range in some kind of rhyming re-creation; Tom Ford for Men and Beau de Jour. I still think Fougere d'Argent belongs in part of a trio, as I've said, but alas it seems that one is destined to remain a Private Blend (or even a discontinued one at that; it still appears you can buy it from John Lewis).

    So, yes, I'm not going to deny the fact that he is clearly a man inspired by all manner of nostalgic eras and qualities, and his romantic reimaginations of these elements cannot be pinned solely on one decade. But I would take issue with the idea that he isn't a major driving force behind a lot of the creative conceptual work, even in the current Tom Ford brand, merely because he is not a perfumer.

    If nothing else, even if I'm wrong, I myself 'feel' a connection between the three scents - that there is a sweet-semi-smoky-masculine-sexyness that links these ostensibly ginger-based nouveau colognes and, even if unintentionally, they can be seen as something of a triplet; three fragrances that perhaps are more half rhymes or alliterative relations to each other rather than any sort of exact replication or (god forbid) 'clone'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slpfrsly View Post
    But I would take issue with the idea that he isn't a major driving force behind a lot of the creative conceptual work, even in the current Tom Ford brand, merely because he is not a perfumer.
    That wasn't my suggestion. He has a distinct style that trickles into his fragrance line curation. As I noted, his preoccupations are fairly overt.

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    Kind of makes me wonder, despite TF having his own brand, that is best work is behind him. And it was under previous companies for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Mitchell View Post
    Kind of makes me wonder, despite TF having his own brand, that is best work is behind him. And it was under previous companies for that matter.
    This. Completely agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Mitchell View Post
    Kind of makes me wonder, despite TF having his own brand, that is best work is behind him. And it was under previous companies for that matter.
    I hesitate to speak universally when TF releases SO much stuff.

    It's easy for Rive Gauche, Envy, etc. to stand out because they were singular creations and weren't crowded out by others.

    If Tom Ford was a bit more careful and sparing with its releases, we might perceive the house differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    I hesitate to speak universally when TF releases SO much stuff.

    It's easy for Rive Gauche, Envy, etc. to stand out because they were singular creations and weren't crowded out by others.

    If Tom Ford was a bit more careful and sparing with its releases, we might perceive the house differently.
    Good point. He oversaturates his own line. However, it's great to have ALL THAT selection just from one fragrance house.
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    Default Re: Tom Ford, Remaking The Same Fragrance, & Tom Ford for Men EDT v Gucci Envy (and Fougere d'Argent

    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    I hesitate to speak universally when TF releases SO much stuff.

    It's easy for Rive Gauche, Envy, etc. to stand out because they were singular creations and weren't crowded out by others.

    If Tom Ford was a bit more careful and sparing with its releases, we might perceive the house differently.
    I second this. Most of his stuff doesn't last until the end of the year it is released.
    Tom Ford's (the brand) creations have the shortest fragrance life span than any other brand I know. From release to discontinued in literally a matter of weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rum View Post
    I second this. Most of his stuff doesn't last until the end of the year it is released.
    Tom Ford's (the brand) creations have the shortest fragrance life span than any other brand I know. From release to discontinued in literally a matter of weeks.
    He's trying to become the Unicorn King. Maybe collectively, he's still in his prime. There are many excellent offerings. Weed through 20 or so of his releases and there are usually 2 to 4 that are, maybe not great or excellent, but not far off.
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    Anyone tried TF Bitter Peach? Newest release.
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    When I tried Fougère d’Argent last year, the first thing that came to mind was Envy. I laughed on Fragrantica when someone made a comment on how ridiculous that was after I voted it smelling similar. Sorry to them, but my nose knows and there are several common notes (ginger being one of them.)
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    I wish I had another bottle of envy..

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    Tom Ford was always and still is heavily involved when a fragrance is made with his name or the company he designed for : Gucci , ysl etc and for me that's a big deal.
    He LOVES fragrance. Just finished reading a nice article on the making of ombre leather..
    It's as if he WANTED to be a perfumer.
    Look at all the houses who have copied the private blends line.. Dolce & gabanna , Prada to name a few.
    Look at how many wonderful fragrances he's been involved with M7, Envy, Rive gauche, Gucci PH all celebrated way more now then back in the day.
    I think he's a genius. You can compare him to Tommy Hilfiger who makes fragrances that no one likes hoping that the next one will be a bit yet that "hit" never comes.
    Why put your name on a fragrance bottle when you don't even care about the fragrance?
    Tom Ford had done way more for the fragrance industry in the last twenty years than anyone else. He's keeping older perfume traditions alive and being criticized now.
    I don't think that's fair.

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    I'm not being critical of him. I have several TF bottles. May be my favorite house, but I refuse to choose, lol. I would agree with Foamy that he's been the most influential of his peers in the past 20 plus years. Arguable, of course. But it's an easy argument to pose.
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    I wasn't talking about you in particular just in general.
    Which are your favorite fragrances from TF??
    I think if a fragrance we like that has been discontinued , and TF brings it back in a similar fashion, well I think that's a good thing. If he blatantly copies something though and sells for 300 dollars that's not something I would agree with. But there are many other fragrances from TF besides the private blends.
    Alot of people say that beau de jour is a copy of rive gauche while others say it is a copy of zino!
    Those two are quite different...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bark View Post
    When I tried Fougère d’Argent last year, the first thing that came to mind was Envy. I laughed on Fragrantica when someone made a comment on how ridiculous that was after I voted it smelling similar. Sorry to them, but my nose knows and there are several common notes (ginger being one of them.)
    There are some very odd misers on fragrantica who, for some reason, downvote the 'reminds me of' section like almost an obsession. I'm not sure what is gained by this, other than a sense of power and dumping on what might be useful info for other people.

    I'm also glad I'm not the only one who sees the connection - thank you!
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    That wasn't my suggestion. He has a distinct style that trickles into his fragrance line curation. As I noted, his preoccupations are fairly overt.
    Fair enough. I'm just not quite sure why you mentioned his not being a perfumer? I think that's obvious enough to most people but, as far as I can tell - certainly in the early years - his creative control was vast. It seems to follow that the creative lineage within his brands would have his personal touch to them and, with these 3 scents, I believe there's a deliberate connection. The same claim could probably be made for Rive Gauche and Beau de Jour, with possible links to Gucci Nobile, a scent he inherited even if he didn't create it.
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    Fair enough. I'm just not quite sure why you mentioned his not being a perfumer?
    Just because I think you see other voices of authorship in his lineup (like Negrin's clear signature on Tom Ford for Men Extreme, or the way the broader Estée Lauder perfumery style has been ever-more infused into Tom Ford creations since, say, 2015, to the point where Tom Ford's Noir Anthracite was borrowing components from MAC My Heroine).

    I think Tom Ford is a major voice in his creations, and it's worth evaluating his influence, but he's not the only voice, so that's why I make the distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    He's not a perfumer, and I think the Tom Ford brand as it stands feels less like a true standalone than just a curated, premium line within the broader Estée Lauder aesthetic (if you try a lot of Estée Lauder stuff from the last five or six years, you'll see what I mean), but his stylistic obsessions are on display for all to see.

    Tom Ford may be preoccupied with the 1970s, but it's not his only obsession. What I'm leading up to with that comment is Tom Ford's desire to riff on/evoke the earlier classics of French houses like Caron and Guerlain speaks to a nostalgia for the kind of Hollywood glamour that he enthusiastically speaks about in interviews. We've had how many quasi-Shalimar/Habit Rouge things from Tom Ford now?

    I'd argue that while Rive Gauche might feel like a successor to Azzaro, it really is an attempt to evoke a kind of lineage of style that goes back further than Azzaro. It's like a modernized, sleeker Azzaro with a dose of nostalgia for Cary Grant's Hollywood.
    For me Rive Gauche is Tom Ford smashing Azzaro pour Homme with a can of original Barbasol. I shaved with that stuff for a month straight (it smells REALLY freaking good), and every time I did I thought "this is like being my dad while shaving, the feeling Rive Gauche seeks to capture", and then I wore RG after a shave with Barbasol and it just -clicked-. Rive Gauche pour Homme really is Tom Ford daddy issues the fragrance. Probably a bit TOO personal with that one, which is why he won't copy it verbatim into the TF line now that it's DC'd. It's an olfactive skeleton in his closet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    Just because I think you see other voices of authorship in his lineup (like Negrin's clear signature on Tom Ford for Men Extreme, or the way the broader Estée Lauder perfumery style has been ever-more infused into Tom Ford creations since, say, 2015, to the point where Tom Ford's Noir Anthracite was borrowing components from MAC My Heroine).

    I think Tom Ford is a major voice in his creations, and it's worth evaluating his influence, but he's not the only voice, so that's why I make the distinction.
    A fair point, but it almost goes without saying - I certainly wasn't claiming he's the sole creative mind behind these fragrances. Of course not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    For me Rive Gauche is Tom Ford smashing Azzaro pour Homme with a can of original Barbasol. I shaved with that stuff for a month straight (it smells REALLY freaking good), and every time I did I thought "this is like being my dad while shaving, the feeling Rive Gauche seeks to capture", and then I wore RG after a shave with Barbasol and it just -clicked-. Rive Gauche pour Homme really is Tom Ford daddy issues the fragrance. Probably a bit TOO personal with that one, which is why he won't copy it verbatim into the TF line now that it's DC'd. It's an olfactive skeleton in his closet.
    Interesting take. You REALLY think this is why he wouldn't fully recreate this scent into his own line?
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