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    Default Can I substitute Indolene?

    I'm trying to mix up a formula for a Jasmine Accord:
    https://creative-formulas.com/formula/jasmine-accord/

    It calls for Indolene, which seems to be a reaction of 2 mol Indole and 1 mol Hydroxycitronellal.
    The formula also calls for Hydroxycitronellal, so maybe I could just substitute the Indolene 50 for Indole 10%?

    The only Indole I have is prediluted to 10% and my Hydroxycitronellal (75%) is stabilised with Hydroxycitronellol (25% ).
    Would it be worth it to try to make my own Indolene?

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    Yes, you can do it. Shouldn't be too much of an issue, as hydroxycitronellal is there. Indolene is weaker than indol, so use a bit less. Take care that the 50 means it's prediluted to 50% in some solvent. So it's really 1% indolene, pure. You could try, then 0.6% or a bit less of indol.

    You can make your own indolene, but you will get water as a byproduct. Unless you remove this, it won't match exactly the commercial product. It also may be cloudy. For me, it's worth making schiffs bases for fun, but they aren't so interesting themselves for use in fragrance.

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    Default Re: Can I substitute Indolene?

    Awesome, thanks a bunch! I'll do that.
    The formula calls for Dihydro Jasmone at 0.2% as well, which is something I don't have. Should I just leave it out for now? Or should I substitute in some real Jasmine? Or Hedione maybe?

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    0.2% hedione isn’t that substantial. Small doses can be used, but in a jasmine accord I’m not sure this level is enough to be particularly interesting, but give it a try. Make several versions and compare with and without.

    Real jasmine is always nice. You can also try cis-jasmone instead, if you have that.
    Last edited by fragrantregard; 16th September 2020 at 02:03 PM.

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    Default Re: Can I substitute Indolene?

    Quote Originally Posted by fragrantregard View Post
    You can also try cis-jasmine instead, if you have that.
    If you mean cis-jasmone, then yes - that, I do have! The stuff with the pronounced celery note. I'll throw it in at 0.2% and go from there

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    Default Re: Can I substitute Indolene?

    Quote Originally Posted by andreasmg13 View Post
    If you mean cis-jasmone, then yes - that, I do have! The stuff with the pronounced celery note. I'll throw it in at 0.2% and go from there
    Hi Andreas, I've already put this information in the "comments" section! Cis-Jasmone and Indole works perfectly in this accord!
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    Default Re: Can I substitute Indolene?

    Quote Originally Posted by filipeleira View Post
    Hi Andreas, I've already put this information in the "comments" section!
    Oh wow, what do you know, hah. :P
    I didn't realize there were comments. I'll remember to go over those next time.

    Keep up the good work Filipe! Your site is a great help.

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    Default Re: Can I substitute Indolene?

    Quote Originally Posted by andreasmg13 View Post
    Oh wow, what do you know, hah.
    I didn't realize there were comments. I'll remember to go over those next time.

    Keep up the good work Filipe! Your site is a great help.
    Haha thanks Andreas! Very happy to know that I'm helping you!

    This is a new feature that I launched today, I will add more comments to all formulas soon and new formulas too!
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    Default Re: Can I substitute Indolene?

    Quote Originally Posted by fragrantregard View Post
    For me, it's worth making schiffs bases for fun, but they aren't so interesting themselves for use in fragrance.
    Awww. Now I'm hurt. I thought I'd made you a believer!
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    Default Re: Can I substitute Indolene?

    Quote Originally Posted by andreasmg13 View Post
    If you mean cis-jasmone, then yes - that, I do have!
    Yes, indeed. I’ve corrected the typo.

    Enjoy the accord.




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