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    Default Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    Greetings,

    So I just realized that Aramis Tobacco Reserve was discontinued and quite quickly from when it was released.

    I am sort of surprised, because Aramis fragrances in general appeal to a smaller demographic vs a lot of other brands, so they are selling less across the board anyway. So for them to discontinue Tobacco Reserve, they must have been selling next to nothing of this fragrance relatively speaking.

    However I wonder if there is maybe a bigger problem outside of the pandemic and people not having the money to buy things like fragrances.

    Has the popularity of tobacco fragrances run their course, where every brand was releasing their tobacco focused fragrance and the marketplace was FULL of tobacco fragrance options? This isn't to say that no one is releasing a tobacco fragrance again, but is the trendiness of tobacco fragrance done in the marketplace?

    I remember when everyone was buying aqua fragrances and then that died out with some exceptions. Same sort of thing. Are people just moving on from tobacco fragrances beyond the ones that have been around for years? Obviously Burberry London for example isn't going away anytime soon and still sells well.

    Or is it really no more complicated than Aramis Tobacco Reserve just wasn't that good or unique to stand out from the crowd of more recently released tobacco fragrances?

    I know some people here really like TR, but in hindsight and considering the fact that it was discontinued - what might have you done to make the fragrance better. Make it more of a powerhouse? More intense tobacco note? Etc.

    What say you?

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    I am glad I acquired my bottle after going undecided for about 6 months. It is nice and not too powerful, just right as far as the fragrance go.
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    It’s an ok fragrance. Will always remind me of the chilly day of shopping in London when I first sampled it. Still, not a favorite. Sorry to see it go, but the collector in me is secretly hoping to see prices shoot sky high now. In that regard, it’s not terrible news. Looking for a similar fragrance? I find Azzaro Pour Homme Intense to be pretty close, without the slightly OTT tobacco effects.

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    Default Re: Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    And yet the newest fragrance from Czech and Speake is a tobacco style fragrance “perfecto fino”. Perhaps tobacco is still used in new fragrances.
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    I think tobacco type frags will conintue to occur at about the same rate as always. It's a very popular note.

    I'm not positive, but I think it's more just a failing of the ARAMIS brand not the fact it was a tobacco scent.

    Putting it in a bottle that looks virtually identical to original ARAMIS probably didn't help. I had seen TOBACCO RESERVE in discussions here and always assumed it came out in the 70s or 80s. No idea it was as recent as 2018 until I started reading this thread.
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    Default Re: Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    Are you sure it was discontinued or just a limited release?
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    Default Re: Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hey Man View Post

    Or is it really no more complicated than Aramis Tobacco Reserve just wasn't that good or unique to stand out from the crowd of more recently released tobacco fragrances?

    I know some people here really like TR, but in hindsight and considering the fact that it was discontinued - what might have you done to make the fragrance better. Make it more of a powerhouse? More intense tobacco note? Etc.

    What say you?
    To me, it smelled like Obsession for Men with tobacco. I found it to be a very intriguing scent and maybe like a homage to the powerhouse era. But I think that men's fragrances that go that retro route don't resonate enough with today's mainstream. I also don't think putting "tobacco" in the name is going to appeal to the average guy looking to smell good for the club or his girlfriend. Maybe if it'd been called "Vape Reserve" there may have been a slightly higher interest in it.

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    I'm not positive, but I think it's more just a failing of the ARAMIS brand not the fact it was a tobacco scent.

    Putting it in a bottle that looks virtually identical to original ARAMIS probably didn't help. I had seen TOBACCO RESERVE in discussions here and always assumed it came out in the 70s or 80s. No idea it was as recent as 2018 until I started reading this thread.
    This too. Aramis is probably seen by many as a cheapie relic. And what makes it worse is that the house bottle of all their flankers look the same as drug store staple Stetson for Men, to the point that Aramis's looks like a generic cologne decanter you get on Amazon for $6.

    Tobacco Reserve is almost audacious compared to its designer peers, so something like that deserves a better or more unique presentation. It's not something I could wear, but I really liked it, and whoever the perfumer was behind it, they created something really exceptional.

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    Though sorry to hear of this fragrance being discontinued, hoping that tobacco fragrances did not run their course and that more options from various houses, in different price, gender etc. categories will eventually be released.

    Personally speaking would not expect/require very much more from this fragrance to make this even better, aside perhaps even tad bit more additional performance.

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    Default Re: Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrcologneguy View Post
    It’s an ok fragrance. Will always remind me of the chilly day of shopping in London when I first sampled it. Still, not a favorite. Sorry to see it go, but the collector in me is secretly hoping to see prices shoot sky high now. In that regard, it’s not terrible news. Looking for a similar fragrance? I find Azzaro Pour Homme Intense to be pretty close, without the slightly OTT tobacco effects.
    Fully agreed with you on that one. For me too, it’s just ok, and not sad to see it go.
    And me too, waiting for the prices to shoot high to sell a bottle that resulted in being an overall disappointment for me after all the praise I could read in here.
    Tobacco? Not to my nose... just a weak tonka fragrance. Not bad, just forgettable.
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    Default Re: Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hey Man View Post
    Greetings,

    So I just realized that Aramis Tobacco Reserve was discontinued and quite quickly from when it was released.

    I am sort of surprised, because Aramis fragrances in general appeal to a smaller demographic vs a lot of other brands, so they are selling less across the board anyway. So for them to discontinue Tobacco Reserve, they must have been selling next to nothing of this fragrance relatively speaking.

    However I wonder if there is maybe a bigger problem outside of the pandemic and people not having the money to buy things like fragrances.

    Has the popularity of tobacco fragrances run their course, where every brand was releasing their tobacco focused fragrance and the marketplace was FULL of tobacco fragrance options? This isn't to say that no one is releasing a tobacco fragrance again, but is the trendiness of tobacco fragrance done in the marketplace?

    I remember when everyone was buying aqua fragrances and then that died out with some exceptions. Same sort of thing. Are people just moving on from tobacco fragrances beyond the ones that have been around for years? Obviously Burberry London for example isn't going away anytime soon and still sells well.

    Or is it really no more complicated than Aramis Tobacco Reserve just wasn't that good or unique to stand out from the crowd of more recently released tobacco fragrances?

    I know some people here really like TR, but in hindsight and considering the fact that it was discontinued - what might have you done to make the fragrance better. Make it more of a powerhouse? More intense tobacco note? Etc.

    What say you?
    I don't believe "Tobacco Reserve" was ever meant to be more than a limited release flanker as Aramis has stuck to their guns for years with just their main gentleman's line being front and center.

    They have never put that much creativity into their presentation so the basic bottle design is no surprise. Their target audience isn't 18-25 either so you aren't going to see a sweet clubber anytime soon.

    IMO, Aramis as a brand is here to stay and fragrances profiling tobacco will continue to come to market, especially in the unisex genre where olfactory sweet bombs like Herod, Spicebomb, Pure Havane, Straight to Heaven, Tobacco Vanille, etc... continue to be very popular.
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    Default Re: Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrcologneguy View Post
    It’s an ok fragrance.
    This pretty much sums up my opinion too. I tried to like TR, but I don't think I'll ever come around.
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    I quite liked Tobacco Reserve, and I'm also sorry to see it go. It's an exceptional barbershop take on the vanillic tobacco theme, with a nice opening blast of dry tobacco leaf among the clary sage and nutmeg, with a pleasant "oakmoss" and tonka drydown. I find it to have a similar core accord to Eau des Baux, but it's greener and airier and altogether more satisfying.

    I don't think tobacco fragrances are really going anywhere--it's a very easy theme for niche houses to reuse--but I do think the post-Tobacco Vanille explosion of gourmand tobaccos has settled down somewhat.

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    Default Re: Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    All the new Aramis fragrances seem to be limited releases odd move on Aramis’s part.

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    Default Re: Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hey Man View Post

    So I just realized that Aramis Tobacco Reserve was discontinued and quite quickly from when it was released.
    Not surprised personally.
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    Hednic's gently stated contempt for all things Aramis will never cease to amuse me.

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    Wow I can't believe it was discontinued this quickly. I smelled it once in a department store and kept meaning to get a sample and try it out, guess I probably never will at this point. My initial thought was that it smelled like a sweeter version of The Dreamer, but I tossed the tester strip too fast to really tell.
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    Default Re: Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    I don't think it's slow sales has anything to do with public demand for tobacco fragrances. It's Aramis. Not knocking the brand but no one should have expected this release to be a phenom. Hopefully it continues to pop up at discounters but it's been probably 10 months since I've last seen it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    Hednic's gently stated contempt for all things Aramis will never cease to amuse me.
    Lol. So gracious in contempt.

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    Well started to enjoy the sample I had, yet not to the level of considering a bottle. Possibly would've enjoyed it more in this fall/winter. I might never know. Remember when there were buckets of this stuff at TK/TJ Maxx. All gone!

    RE: Tobacco.
    In my limited epxerience, I wouldn't say its going anywhere.

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    Default Re: Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    Are you sure it was discontinued or just a limited release?
    I just bought this online from Lord & Taylor. . It is one tobacco fragrance that I forgot about that fits my description of a nice, sweet tobacco. I’m not a giant Aramis fan but this is a good time of year to have it. Not a discount price from Marshall’s but no skin off my back for $69 with shipping.

    I don’t think tobacco scents are going away. I just think people have different ideas of tobacco. I look at it like cigar leaves or a sweet pipe tobacco. I’ve smelled some tobacco scents that aren’t close to that and aren’t my cup of tea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cologne Cabinet View Post
    Their target audience isn't 18-25 either so you aren't going to see a sweet clubber anytime soon.
    Hence why it might have been a commercial failure. To my nose, this juice is exactly designed for that age range, as ooposed to the bottle design and the brand image.
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    Default Re: Aramis Tobacco Reserve Was Discontinued Quickly - Have Tobacco Focused Frags Run Their Course?

    I think that tobacco fragrances will always be around. However, the number of new ones created per year has definitely gone down, and will continue to do so until they come into style.

    Funny thing is that I've never gotten a tobacco note from any of the designer tobacco fragrances that people rave about (The One, Burberry London, etc.).

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    One discontinued tobacco fragrance doesn't mean tobacco fragrances have run their course; why would you think that?

    It didn't do anything for me. You can still buy it at the perfume shop in the UK, so it's not as if it has left all the stores yet. If you like it, 'buy now while stocks last!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy the frenchy View Post
    Hence why it might have been a commercial failure. To my nose, this juice is exactly designed for that age range, as ooposed to the bottle design and the brand image.
    Well then we disagree. Mildly sweet does not equate to exclusively marketing towards a younger audience. Take a look at all the popular bangers - Herod, Pure Havane, Spicebomb - massive stink bombs that project for days, yell "HEY, SMELL ME FIRST!" and need OxyClean to wash off. Aramis Tobacco Reserve isn't that at all and the conservative presentation of this well balanced frag screams that loud and clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    I quite liked Tobacco Reserve, and I'm also sorry to see it go. It's an exceptional barbershop take on the vanillic tobacco theme, with a nice opening blast of dry tobacco leaf among the clary sage and nutmeg, with a pleasant "oakmoss" and tonka drydown. I find it to have a similar core accord to Eau des Baux, but it's greener and airier and altogether more satisfying.

    I don't think tobacco fragrances are really going anywhere--it's a very easy theme for niche houses to reuse--but I do think the post-Tobacco Vanille explosion of gourmand tobaccos has settled down somewhat.
    That is what I sort of mean - tobacco fragrances will still exist, but the bunch of tobacco, leather and boozy or retro style scents that seemed to all come out at the same time a few years back is probably done for now. In other words, it probably isn't the best time (outside of Covid) for that original Michael Kors relaunch that some here would love to see.

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    Times Turn Around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurahl View Post
    One discontinued tobacco fragrance doesn't mean tobacco fragrances have run their course; why would you think that?

    It didn't do anything for me. You can still buy it at the perfume shop in the UK, so it's not as if it has left all the stores yet. If you like it, 'buy now while stocks last!'
    Because there have been MUCH less in new tobacco fragrances releases compared to only a few years back when every designer brand wanted to show how edgy they were with their tobacco, boozy and leather fragrance, etc.. Not to mention a few of those being discontinued as well.

    I wasn't saying that Aramis being discontinued is the only sign of this, but it is surprising that it was discontinued so quickly.

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    Times Turn Around.
    Of course. Hence the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy the frenchy View Post
    Hence why it might have been a commercial failure. To my nose, this juice is exactly designed for that age range, as ooposed to the bottle design and the brand image.
    I have to say nonsense. Nothing youthful about it. The drydown might have some play with younger folks, but even then its idea of vanillic sweeteness is more in the dusty Musc Ravageur-ish style (not in quality, but style) than in that trendy Versace Eros thing. The herbal opening is particularly mature (even if it's brief).

    Quote Originally Posted by The Cologne Cabinet View Post
    Well then we disagree. Mildly sweet does not equate to exclusively marketing towards a younger audience. Take a look at all the popular bangers - Herod, Pure Havane, Spicebomb - massive stick bombs that project for days, yell "HEY, SMELL ME FIRST!" and need OxyClean to wash off. Aramis Tobacco Reserve isn't that at all and the conservative presentation of this well balanced frag screams that loud and clear.
    Yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks Otterlake View Post
    I have to say nonsense. Nothing youthful about it. The drydown might have some play with younger folks, but even then its idea of vanillic sweeteness is more in the dusty Musc Ravageur-ish style (not in quality, but style) than in that trendy Versace Eros thing. The herbal opening is particularly mature (even if it's brief).
    Unfortunately I associate this kind of crushing tonka with vanilla combo to Macy-style scents (Allure Homme Sport Extreme, Armani Code...). I don't find its sweetness identical to Versace Eros, nor to Musc Ravageur, but if forced to choose, I would store it for sure on the Eros shelf, not on MR's. When smelling it blind and try to guess the age of the wearer, I would associate it to 20-25yo.
    And yes, the herbal opening is indeed interesting, and probably the best part of the scent. Too bad that opening lasts at most 10min on my skin before the boring tonka starts destroying everything.

    Again, it's not a rule, and I'm sure that there are some 15yo who pull off T Habanero, as well as 60yo who pull off Versace Eros. But given my westerner culture, I can't imagine pulling off Tobacco Reserve (fyi I'm 40 yo and identify myself as a male). And the terrible performance on my skin doesn't help me liking it. Back on ebay asap.
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