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    Default If Yves Saint Laurent was alive...

    What would he say to L' Oreal???
    He told Tom Ford "In 13 minutes you have destroyed everything I accomplished in 40 years"..
    I wonder what he would say to L'oreal about the current state of Kouros , Opium and (shudder) Body Kouros.
    He was very passionate about his fragrances and always involved in the process from start to finish.
    Unlike Tommy Hilfiger for example .

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    Bring back the classics! Works of art should never be discontinued or assumed they are no longer wanted, I truly believe their biggest business mistake was discontinuing their classic masculine line. I feel this way about a few other houses too, just none sense to release beautiful works of perfumery and then cut their production.
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    I totally agree but I think their would be hell to pay when he got hold of a current bottle of Opium.

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    Default Re: If Yves Saint Laurent was alive...

    Quote Originally Posted by Foamywax View Post
    What would he say to L' Oreal???
    He told Tom Ford "In 13 minutes you have destroyed everything I accomplished in 40 years"..
    I wonder what he would say to L'oreal about the current state of Kouros , Opium and (shudder) Body Kouros.
    He was very passionate about his fragrances and always involved in the process from start to finish.
    Unlike Tommy Hilfiger for example .
    Laurent himself wore nothing but Yves Saint Laurent pour Homme (1971) and later switched between that and the Haute Concentration version. The YSL pH line was not just his signature fragrance in marketing terms, but literally his signature fragrance. Kouros (1981) was rumoured to have been created for his business partner/boyfriend Pierre Berge as a signature because he said it's how he thought a man ought to smell.

    I'm sure he was involved in all his fragrances to some extent, but history shows he struggled with alcoholism and a cocaine addiction late in life throughout the 90's, so I don't know how much he was involved in the pre-LVMH after Jazz (1988). I'm sure his input into stuff like Opium pour Homme (1995) and the Jazz flankers was very cursory at best. I think he had more concern for fashion than his fragrances, but often created the briefs for them.

    He retired in 2002 so even M7 (2002) and Rive Gauche pour Homme (2003) were made without his creative input, but I did hear he had a tiny bit to do with the creation of L'Homme (2006), which was very "metrosexual" at time, and being he was gay, he probably had some influence in that. He also Married Pierre Berge on his deathbed, as it had finally become legal by then, which is extremely bittersweet in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foamywax View Post
    What would he say to L' Oreal???
    He told Tom Ford "In 13 minutes you have destroyed everything I accomplished in 40 years"..
    I wonder what he would say to L'oreal about the current state of Kouros , Opium and (shudder) Body Kouros.
    He was very passionate about his fragrances and always involved in the process from start to finish.
    Unlike Tommy Hilfiger for example .
    I agree about all Opiums, but not that much in the case of some others YSL like Kouros, which I almost prefer in its current form, being my favorite the PPR-Gucci Era and my least favored the Charles of The Ritz.

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    He'd probably say "Where did all the fragrances go?"

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    Quite an interesting idea for a thread!

    He'd probably be very disappointed and angry. As speckmann0706 said, works of art should never be discontinued or changed.

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    Opium would have been the last straw, I shudder to think what he might have said or done. I'm sure it would have sickened him to the core.

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    I can't even imagine what he'd say about his original fragrance, the beautiful and now ravaged (and pillaged) "Y".

    Or maybe I can imagine: "Merde. C'est tout merde."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    Or maybe I can imagine: "Merde. C'est tout merde."
    Yup. This is what I imagine him saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scents And Sense View Post

    He'd probably be very disappointed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zealot Crusader View Post
    Laurent himself wore nothing but Yves Saint Laurent pour Homme (1971) and later switched between that and the Haute Concentration version. The YSL pH line was not just his signature fragrance in marketing terms, but literally his signature fragrance. Kouros (1981) was rumoured to have been created for his business partner/boyfriend Pierre Berge as a signature because he said it's how he thought a man ought to smell.

    I'm sure he was involved in all his fragrances to some extent, but history shows he struggled with alcoholism and a cocaine addiction late in life throughout the 90's, so I don't know how much he was involved in the pre-LVMH after Jazz (1988). I'm sure his input into stuff like Opium pour Homme (1995) and the Jazz flankers was very cursory at best. I think he had more concern for fashion than his fragrances, but often created the briefs for them.

    He retired in 2002 so even M7 (2002) and Rive Gauche pour Homme (2003) were made without his creative input, but I did hear he had a tiny bit to do with the creation of L'Homme (2006), which was very "metrosexual" at time, and being he was gay, he probably had some influence in that. He also Married Pierre Berge on his deathbed, as it had finally become legal by then, which is extremely bittersweet in my opinion.
    Hi Zealot he was heavily involved in both Kouros and Jazz and Opium pour Homme hmm I'm not sure but I remember an article where he was promoting it.. he more or less lost interest after that. I have no idea what he thought of m7 .. I bet he liked it. Even the ad campaign was a tribute to an old photo of ysl naked.
    I was referring to the female opium by the way which I love and is an incredible piece of art in the vintage form ofcourse. It is so beautiful and intoxicating it literally takes your body and soul to morocco..there would be no obsession for women if opium had not existed.
    But to be fair and honest let's face it- opium could never be made today in it's vintage form just the amount of Mysore sandalwood used in the vintage would cost a fortune.

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    Default Re: If Yves Saint Laurent was alive...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cook.bot View Post
    I can't even imagine what he'd say about his original fragrance, the beautiful and now ravaged (and pillaged) "Y".

    Or maybe I can imagine: "Merde. C'est tout merde."

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    Beautiful photo. I saw a french movie recently about his life it was quite good and the actor who portrayed him nailed it

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    Don't think he would be too satisfied.
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    It's hard to imagine anyone who oversaw a notable perfume house 40+ years ago would be happy with what transpires under their name today, save perhaps with the profits. Which doesn't mean nothing made today is any good, but it's mostly quite different.
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    Default Re: If Yves Saint Laurent was alive...

    Quote Originally Posted by Foamywax View Post
    If Yves Saint Laurent was alive...
    "Help! Let me out of this box! I can't breathe in this thing, help!"
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    I don't think he would like the new Y line very much.

    But it's really impressive how much the Y EdP is appreciated by the ladies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Mitchell View Post
    "Help! Let me out of this box! I can't breathe in this thing, help!"
    More like please put me back in!!!!!

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    Default Re: If Yves Saint Laurent was alive...

    Quote Originally Posted by FragFrog View Post
    I don't think he would like the new Y line very much.
    I quite agree. It's an insult to his creativity and easily one of the most loved brands (once upon a time) in the perfume world.

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    Default Re: If Yves Saint Laurent was alive...

    The decline of the western hemisphere means anyone who lived during most or all of the latter half of the twentieth century is scared, appalled, and perhaps grateful they won't be experiencing the latter half of the 21st century. I'd imagine he would be no different.

    Designer perfumery is once again becoming the preserve of the wealthy. While the mass selling Y and its flankers appeal to the masses, the boutique, high end YSLs offer a huge space for creativity and decadence.

    In terms of branding, YSL has it spot on. It's a shame their fragrances are so underwhelming for the price. That said, they are still producing many appealing scents, not least Rue 24. I doubt he'd be overly disappointed with the offerings.
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    In so many ways, all or at least most fragrances released (even with all the current setbacks of discontinuations, reformulations and/or limited availability he only partly had to live through) during his lifetime were to certain extents quite consistent with both the quality and the creative uniqueness he brought to the fragrance world.

    While one might argue about any scent output (s) following his death, still willing to consider (irrespective if vintage vs. current/reformulated or not) releases like YSL PH, Kours, YSL PH Concentree, opium PH plus flankers to it released during his lifetime, same with Jazz/Live Jazz, Rive Gauche, M7 plus further flankers of each consistent with the impact he had on both French haute couture and a certain iconic defining, groundbreaking contribution on fragrance history (not even getting into his feminine/unisex scents of comparably elite standards).

    How much of his heritage and unmistakable personal style will carry over into the TF (or whoever subsequently inherits and manages the YSL house and brand afterwards) is or might be of course an entirely different, much more complex question.
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