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    All I know is that I'm wearing the original formulation of Egoiste today, and my testicles feel fuller and heavier than ever.

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    Thanks I’ll sleep better tonight knowing that.

    Nothing weird about imagining a full sack and dozens of women opening and closing window shutters shouting ‘Egoiste!’.

    Perhaps I’ll just stay awake instead to stave off A Nightmare on Egioste Street and an SA Freddy Nutsack chasing me down.

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    I'm guessing this was just a joke thread but maybe not. I'm interested now in sampling if Sycomore is indeed a "manly" fragrance, up there with the likes of Polo, Fahrenheit and Gucci Guilty Absolute.

    The EDT and EDP are both listed as unisex though. The EDT reviews say it starts of smelling like soft cigarette smoke. That sounds pretty interesting.

    Bleu de Chanel could be considered very masculine since it kind of gives off the men's deodorant vibe, kind of sporty. Platinum Egoiste doesn't necessarily smell macho to me. It's very elegant though.

    I'm starting to question the idea of "manly" fragrances though. I myself have used similar language when describing a fragrance, or directions I wish more fragrances would go. But I wonder what most of us want is to indulge in the nostalgia of the past.

    I like Polo, but I think I really like it because I must have smelled it in the past, and it has elements of men's fragrances that I remember as a kid. Drakkar Noir same thing, but is that one truly macho? Obviously in comparison to perfume that smells like flowers or something overly sweet, but I've read that some women actually wore it as well back in the day.

    I think there's some scents that smell undeniably masculine, like the ones that smell like ashtray and pine needles. Women don't smell like that, and ashtray isn't the most pleasant thing.
    Band-aids and gasoline...another thing you'd never associate with women or femininity.

    Drakkar Noir, Eternity for Men, Bleu de Chanel...those just smell good.

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    If you are a masculine guy, any perfume will be masculine on you. You could smell like strawberries and still be masculine. It's the whole package that counts.

    If you worry about smelling feminine, you are not doing it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilight99 View Post
    If you are a masculine guy, any perfume will be masculine on you. You could smell like strawberries and still be masculine. It's the whole package that counts.

    If you worry about smelling feminine, you are not doing it right.

    Males and Females gravitate naturally to different things because *gasp* men and women are different. I know this is not a popular view in these uber "woke" times but no matter how much we try to re-jigger society for our feelz or bastardize science to fit a narrative or ignore thousands of years of male/female inter-sexual dynamics both sexes will determine what is masculine and what is feminine. This has gone on for centuries and still does today in spite of political correctness.

    Come home to your wife or go pick up your girlfriend wearing strawberry or feminine perfume and see what happens.

    See what happens if your significant other comes home smelling of a masculine fragrance that is not in your wardrobe. Tell me what goes through your mind when you go to your girlfriends place and upon hopping in to her bed you throw back the covers or lay your head on a pillow case and catch a whiff of unfamiliar masculine fragrance.............

    The "whole package' or "not doing it right" theories will, I promise you, get thrown right out the window.

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    TBH rightly or wrongly many if not most people outside of a specialised fragrance interest or hobby will hold a similar view to the OP. Once you get into ‘serious’ fragrance discussion on forums there will be a specialist view which exists within a bubble which is that all things can be all ways to every person and to go against that is somehow wrong thinking, backward, not open minded enough. Now in this instance the OP could have been a little less zealous with his statements but its the same old story on the forums.

    Is it weird to ask for a heterosexual opinion on a progressive board? Just saying that now, sounds somehow surreal. If you follow thinking that fragrance has no predetermined state then perhaps it sounds daft. I think it’s hard to do on here without sounding somehow prejudiced and maybe a reason people avoid asking things like this at all. You will surely be chastised and spit on albeit with humour. It’s possible that straight and gay tastes vary, even when it comes to fragrance, but who knows. I imagine in time these conversations will be had but the setup here lends itself to kneejerk downhill cascading, quick.

    One thing I realised very early on when I started reading here on the forum even before joining up is that it’s difficult to keep an uninitiated head. You lose a certain naive perspective because the views become more distorted as you step further and further into what ‘smells good’. Before you read about fragrances you know Bleu de Chanel smells good. You don’t need anyone to tell you that. It appeals to you, it appeals to women - you take that for granted. You enter into Basenotes and suddenly you’re Alice; Everything is suddenly batshit crazy, people want to smell of wet pavement, old books and temple incense from Kyoto. Why wouldn’t they? It’s not all crazy, just most of it. But you entered the realm. You can either leave back the way you came in or you keep moving forward and it becomes crazier and crazier until it doesn’t seem crazy any more. Either because you’ve understood what is going on and had an enlightened moment or you’ve gone mad.

    Masculine fragrance? It exists. Once you step outside the forum you know what it is but there’s hardly any of it around in shops any more. Step in here, there is plenty of it around but as a newb you won’t know what’s what yet. You have to gradually figure out where it is.

    One thing’s for sure in here - call it Manly fragrance and you’ll get ripped.

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    I think the assumption that the OP makes, that everyone is gay because he doesn't like their recommendations, is quite ridiculous regardless of the above points on societal views on masculinity.

    I think assuming a gay person would not be interested in smelling 'masculine' is offensive too. I've known plenty of gay men that are far more 'manly' than I am if you're judging using your 1940s standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ The Terrible View Post
    Males and Females gravitate naturally to different things because *gasp* men and women are different. I know this is not a popular view in these uber "woke" times but no matter how much we try to re-jigger society for our feelz or bastardize science to fit a narrative or ignore thousands of years of male/female inter-sexual dynamics both sexes will determine what is masculine and what is feminine. This has gone on for centuries and still does today in spite of political correctness.
    I agree with some of this. However, aspects of style are often culturally relative. Again, rose accords are intensely masculine in parts of the Middle East but not so much elsewhere. Aventus would easily be considered feminine in the 80s with such a pronounced, fruity vibe, especially newer bottles.

    What's the old adage? "In matters of style swim with the tide, in matters of principle stand like a rock."

    Quote Originally Posted by boosh View Post
    I think assuming a gay person would not be interested in smelling 'masculine' is offensive too. I've known plenty of gay men that are far more 'manly' than I am if you're judging using your 1940s standards.
    Totally agree. The idea that gay dudes are inherently effete just ain't true. Just ask the Spartans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbouti View Post
    You enter into Basenotes and suddenly you’re Alice; Everything is suddenly batshit crazy, people want to smell of wet pavement, old books and temple incense from Kyoto. Why wouldn’t they? It’s not all crazy, just most of it. But you entered the realm. You can either leave back the way you came in or you keep moving forward and it becomes crazier and crazier until it doesn’t seem crazy any more. Either because you’ve understood what is going on and had an enlightened moment or you’ve gone mad.
    lol
    Thanks. I needed a laugh. That's how I've become. I first came to this site just wanting to find a nice smelling, signature scent. Since then I've bought fragrances that smell like band-aids, like ash tray and old car, stuff that smells like it has a note of sweat or BO...

    Masculine fragrance? It exists. Once you step outside the forum you know what it is but there’s hardly any of it around in shops any more. Step in here, there is plenty of it around but as a newb you won’t know what’s what yet. You have to gradually figure out where it is.

    One thing’s for sure in here - call it Manly fragrance and you’ll get ripped.
    If someone describes a fragrance as "macho" or "manly" I have a general idea of how it might smell. I think anything from Aramis to Fahrenheit to Dark Rebel. Anything outside of rough and/or challenging and it's simply "men's cologne."

    Modern scents are criticized for smelling less-masculine/feminine, but some stuff like 1 Million, or certain entries within the gourmand or aquatic genres. But hasn't that always been the case? I smell Haltson's 1-12 and that immediately smells like a woman's fragrance from way back in the day. Only after several wearings and getting an idea for the era it came out in did I think, "Okay, I can see this as a masculine scent."

    I think discussions of more traditionally masculine fragrances might receive a little less criticism without occasional posts like OPs being a little extra.

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    All I know is that I'm wearing the original formulation of Egoiste today, and my testicles feel fuller and heavier than ever.
    The vintage formulation is the real deal, can't go wrong on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boosh View Post
    I think the assumption that the OP makes, that everyone is gay because he doesn't like their recommendations, is quite ridiculous regardless of the above points on societal views on masculinity.

    I think assuming a gay person would not be interested in smelling 'masculine' is offensive too. I've known plenty of gay men that are far more 'manly' than I am if you're judging using your 1940s standards.
    He certainly put both feet in his mouth with terms like, “disgustingly feminine, grandma feminine, old manish” and especially here and especially in a single question. I think it’s a jump though to presume he meant everyone is gay because he didn’t like their recommendations. He could have just said thanks everyone for the recommendations but I don’t like overly sweet scents or scents with a particular note etc instead of calling stuff disgustingly feminine. Juvenile language? Probably naive and possibly trolling. Assuming Platinum Egoiste is “old manish” might suggest he’s under 25, and he’s currently got 56 posts so not versed in the forum decorum. Perhaps he will chime in to clarify.


    Update
    Just read some of the OPs other posts as well as some other posts that are weaving their way through BN at the moment and quite clear what’s going on now.

    I’m out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellbentforleather View Post
    Totally agree. The idea that gay dudes are inherently effete just ain't true. Just ask the Spartans.
    Well, I would, but their social distancing rules are so strict - 2500 years apart.

    Sparta was a military state. Men continuously training to become good soldiers. So, of course there was no place for weak men. You don't win wars with whiners.
    Adult mentored the young men, who were always at the receiving end (passive).
    They got rid of children with disabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Factory View Post
    I don't know if there needs to be a subforum for hetero guys or I just need to learn what I consider manly better, but most of what is recommended to me on this forum is disgustingly feminine. Usually grandma feminine, in fact. But through some searching of my own outside this place I finally found another scent I actually like and, of course, it's from Chanel!!!

    Sycamore! Fresh, spicy, woody... That's all I can say from the one spray sampling so far, but far far far better than all the Tom Ford and Creed garbage I've been trying, based on terrible recommendations here so far.

    3 frags from Chanel have blown my mind to this point. Bleu De - Parfum, Platinum Egoiste and Sycamore. Jaw dropping scents for sure. Although the first is a mite bit juvenile and the latter two are quite "old manish". Might seem an odd 3 selection because of that, but I think it's the woodyness in them. Yet to be determined, but perhaps.
    Perfume definitely sways homosexual and feminine to a greater percentage than the world in general does, despite the best attempts to utterly remove masculinity from public life and replace it with something cartoonish, fetishised, or neutered instead.

    I haven't tried Sycomore but I think that Profumum Roma's Fumidus has been compared to it and that kind of smoky vetiver certainly smells masculine but in a mostly unwearable way to me. I presume the Chanel is much softer.

    As for basenotes, it definitely leans vintage and therefore a lot of vintage scents veer in to that 'grandma' territory - floral, mossy, spicy, chypres and even fougeres. Not great for the vast majority of men, in my opinion, and clearly yours, too - but interesting to smell as an enthusiast, which is what this site is for: enthusiasm.

    Definitely try more woody scents. They're just about the 'safest' masculine genre for modern fragrance where the majority of them smell like they can be worn by men. Even tobacco is a feminine 'genre' now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellbentforleather View Post
    Totally agree. The idea that gay dudes are inherently effete just ain't true. Just ask the Spartans.
    There's a difference between homosexuality and ritualistic sex to keep men from losing their minds and turning to raping and pillaging (or to brutalise them in to being ruthless warriors who partition their trauma). Sex among men in military settings, like the navy in more recent times, is often far from a 'good' thing, either. If you want an even better example of how male sexual brutailty works when there's little or even no sexual desire for men, then look at the American prison system. In any case, the justification and even existence of sex in the Greek militaries, particularly the Spartans, is flimsy at best and seems to be predicated more on the desires and even perversions of those recording the events than any reality.

    Obviously there's a portion of gay men who are very much visibly and audibly feminine. We don't need to tie ourselves in knots trying to deny reality. Yes, not 'all' - but many, and certainly moreso than straight men, hence the stereotype.

    The fact that gay men and in general 'femininity' permeates so much of fashion, style, perfumery etc is indeed a major reason why there is so little that actually caters to what one might call 'mature masculinity' without smelling outdated. A true 'patriarchal' perfume: does it exist? Has one been made in the last 10 years? Hardly. Maybe Creed's Aventus when it retained the smoke. Maybe. On the flipside, we have all sorts of 'f*ck me in the *ss' type puns and references to gay sex and gay culture - from Tom Holland to Tom Ford. We also have uber sweet, uber floral fragrances as 'the norm' from Armani to Zara: sweet vanillic fragrances and purple floral scents have become two of the main types of scents to be sold to men in the last 15 years. Again, asking where and why this is is an important question and at the very least interesting to discuss.

    It's also the reason why so much clothing is designed to be ridiculously skinny and either fit 17 year old boys or not fit at all. Men are experiencing what women did; gay men in the fashion world pushing people in to an idealised form of impractical and juvenile, gender bending body shapes through clothing. The 6ft female supermodel is as much if not moreso a gay male creation than anything 'patriarchal'. It's a decent point to make. To my mind, the fact that fashion is so lacking in masculinity is a big reason why so little fragrance caters to straight men, despite that demographic being such a huge percentage of the western and global population. We're being sold orientals and stinky rubbery ouds to compensate but it doesn't really do it for me.
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    There's a hell of a lot of piling on to a new-ish poster who has just said that the recommendations he has received from the forum have been unsuitable. A hell of a lot.

    Clearly he's not made the most PC opening post but the crux of the issue seesm to be that he has received 'grandma perfume' recommendations. A little bit of self reflection and honesty about how others perceive perfume, however much we as men may love it, seems to be something that may be a necessary medicine for some. 90% of the comments are just ripping in to the OP here, devolving in to the same old passive aggressive sneering about lack of masculinity, how he's actually a gay in the closet etc etc. Not good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbouti View Post
    One thing I realised very early on when I started reading here on the forum even before joining up is that it’s difficult to keep an uninitiated head. You lose a certain naive perspective because the views become more distorted as you step further and further into what ‘smells good’. Before you read about fragrances you know Bleu de Chanel smells good. You don’t need anyone to tell you that. It appeals to you, it appeals to women - you take that for granted. You enter into Basenotes and suddenly you’re Alice; Everything is suddenly batshit crazy, people want to smell of wet pavement, old books and temple incense from Kyoto. Why wouldn’t they? It’s not all crazy, just most of it. But you entered the realm. You can either leave back the way you came in or you keep moving forward and it becomes crazier and crazier until it doesn’t seem crazy any more. Either because you’ve understood what is going on and had an enlightened moment or you’ve gone mad.
    A great point to make.

    One I have tried to make elsewhere with regard to snobbery is the fact that taste is more like a cycle or a wheel - of desiring better/different; developing the desire to seek out such a fragrance; finding and appreciating the novelty of something new or challenging; becoming bored of what was once new and challenging and therefore returning to boredom/frustration, and desiring something better/different...

    This doesn't just happen with individual fragrances, although it is an obvious point to make: if you're buying a fragrance, even just a sample, every week, then you are on that cycle of novelty, dopamine etc. It also happens with perfume in general - a cycle from desiring, let's say, to smell clean and fresh or at least mask your body smell; to wanting to smell appealing to women and sexy; to wanting to smell welathy, classy, or regal; to finally wanting to smell 'unique' and interesting/challenging. Eventually you're going to come back around to simply appreciating the simplicity of smelling clean and fresh - the NEED for challenging and interesting aromas doesn't tally to NEEDING to personally wear these scents, in my opinion. Buy samples of niche and weird scents, by all means, to get that dopamine fix: but I really don't think that the end point down the perfume rabbithole is the 'niche and avant garde' segment of perfume. I don't think there is an end point but I fully believe that, if there is one, it's more likely to be cycling back around to something much closer to where you first started than where you are halfway through, so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slpfrsly View Post
    There's a difference between homosexuality and ritualistic sex to keep men from losing their minds and turning to raping and pillaging (or to brutalise them in to being ruthless warriors who partition their trauma). Sex among men in military settings, like the navy in more recent times, is often far from a 'good' thing, either. If you want an even better example of how male sexual brutailty works when there's little or even no sexual desire for men, then look at the American prison system. In any case, the justification and even existence of sex in the Greek militaries, particularly the Spartans, is flimsy at best and seems to be predicated more on the desires and even perversions of those recording the events than any reality.
    As far as ancient Greece goes, this is completely inaccurate. Homosexuality was an inherent part of the culture not some way to "partition trauma":

    Traditionally these relationships involved an older man and a youth and lasted until the youth reached full adulthood. Thereafter this type of relationship was frowned upon because physical love was perceived as always involving one person in a position of submission, something that was unacceptable for a full Greek citizen.

    In cities such as Sparta and Thebes, there appeared to be a particularly strong emphasis on relationships between men and youths, and it was considered an important part of their education. On the night of their wedding, Spartan wives were expected to lie in a dark room and dress as a man - presumably to help their husbands make the transition from homosexual to heterosexual love. While in Thebes, the general Epaminondas commanded a regiment composed of 150 pairs of lovers. This 'Band of Lovers' became a formidable fighting force, with lover defending lover until death.
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    I think what's most hilarious about this thread is the overwrought zeal to find "a manly perfume!" without a hint of irony that then devolves into odd and often inaccurate cultural and historical assessments rooted in deductive errors in judgment to reinforce a perceived bias...but what do I know? I'm wearing vintage Egoiste today
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellbentforleather View Post
    As far as ancient Greece goes, this is completely inaccurate. Homosexuality was an inherent part of the culture not some way to "partition trauma":

    Source: https://www.pbs.org/empires/thegreek...nd/19a_p1.html
    What on earth are you talking about? You don't think there's something traumatic about old men having sexual relationships with 12 year olds?! In any case, that's not what you were talking about - you referenced the Spartans and the evidence for the Spartan army being an uber masculine yet homosexual warrior tribe is indeed based on flimsy and contested accounts, as well as in part being the Spartans' own excellent use of propaganda and mythology to scare others in to believing the mystique they had created. At the same time, you've utterly ignored the point that not all sex between men is equal, nor indeed 'good', and certainly doesn't relate to our modern understanding of 'gay' and 'straight'. And if you don't think that ancient warfare was traumatic and that ritualistic sex between men may well have been a way of 'coping' with that, in a way similar to the naval forces of yesteryear, well...

    As with another recent discussion, I'm not deferring to google-searched 'sources', sorry. I'll trust my own education over your googled links and pop culture references. Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slpfrsly View Post
    As with another recent discussion, I'm not deferring to google-searched 'sources', sorry. I'll trust my own education over your googled links and pop culture references. Cheers.
    So you'll just stick to making stuff up? Got it
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellbentforleather View Post
    So you'll just stick to making stuff up? Got it
    If that's what you want to tell yourself, by all means. It's probably the best outcome for all and you avoid the discussion about ancient Greece you clearly don't want to have.

    Now, should we all get back to sneering at the OP and calling him gay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slpfrsly View Post
    If that's what you want to tell yourself, by all means. It's probably the best outcome for all and you avoid the discussion about ancient Greece you clearly don't want to have.

    Now, should we all get back to sneering at the OP and calling him gay?
    Well, that's weird. You responded to my comment so I clarified, in turn, with a reputable source. That source refuted your claims so now you're accusing me of trolling? Now that's patently odd if not altogether contrary to masculine norms, but I digress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellbentforleather View Post
    Well, that's weird. You responded to my comment so I clarified, in turn, with a reputable source. That source refuted your claims so now you're accusing me of trolling? Now that's patently odd if not altogether contrary to masculine norms, but I digress.
    Yet you posted the 4th result that comes up on google when you search 'Sparta homosexuality'...a 'source' that has no referenes on the page and seems to be catering to schoolchildren under the age of 16.

    I'm going to guess that you don't have any deeper knowledge of the topic that this + pop cultural references, probably from when the film 300 was released, which based on personal experience is where most people under, say, 40 take as their main reference for Spartan history.

    The 'source' doesn't refute my claims in any way shape or form. The reality of Greek history is contestable at best and murky at worst as a result of the transcibers of ancient history being wholly unreliable as objective sources when it comes to matters of culture. On the whole it is as filled with mythology and propaganda and contradiction as any modern war film.

    Your own misunderstanding of both 'homosexuality' in Greece, which you have just described as non-traumatic despite being based on pederasty and both vilified and exalted by different writers and philosophers depending on the era, and indeed the extent and purpose for sexuality in the military compared to what we are discussing (which is femininity and sexuality among civilians in an age of almost unnatural peace) is the key issue here and why you keep pivoting away from every single point I'm making and resorting to insults.

    You want to simultaneously claim that it is unfair to discuss the fact that gay men are feminine compared to straight men in the present day and how this relates to perfumery, despite the very obvious reality that almost everybody grows up with a camp child who becomes a feminine gay man in their school or community. While you think this stereotype is unfair because of the fact that some gay men of course do not behave more feminine than 'the norm', you're willing to do this by claiming that contestable ideas of ancient history prove that homosexual men are...what? Uber macho and warriors? As if we don't know that gay men can also be these things? It seems like you want to have your cake and eat it, to be honest, when it comes to defining homosexuality, before resorting to insults - which, really, seems to be the main motivation here. First the OP, now me. Insult after insult. Hmmm.

    Shall we just get back to perfume instead and leave the insults to the last 3 pages? There have been enough of them, I think.
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    A quick reminder to refrain from insults and homophobic slurs, or the thread will need to be closed.
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    A quick reminder to refrain from insults and homophobic slurs, or the thread will need to be closed.
    Reading between the lines, there are obvious homophobic innuendos by a few individuals including odd accusations now of pederasty. It's a veritable dumpster fire at this point.
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    Egoiste is glorious. I'm wearing it right now. Disclaimer: I am also wearing a hot pink nightdress.

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    Default Re: Finally another good manly fragrance

    Quote Originally Posted by hellbentforleather View Post
    Reading between the lines, there are obvious homophobic innuendos by a few individuals including odd accusations now of pederasty. It's a veritable dumpster fire at this point.
    You need to spend more time and effort reading what others say otherwise this is just low grade trolling that comes across like you're trying to get people banned.
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    If the OP is still searching for something uber-butch, he could try Piguet Bandit and try not to get too hysterical about it being categorised as a 'feminine'.




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