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    Default Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    The other day, I was wearing Terre d'Hermes EDT and, for whatever reason, it smelled soapy - for just a moment. It's as if my nose ignored the woods for a second or two, and instead, I'd swear I smelled all of that big citrus over a warm clean musk.

    I'm not looking for a replacement for TdH. I own TdH and TdH Parfum. Love 'em both. I'm just wondering if there's a scent that smells like what you'd get if Hermes made a TdH Musk flanker, or something along those lines.

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    I think Beckham Homme maybe. Of course it smells cheaper because it's a cheap celeb frag, but they do share similarities. I wouldn't say it smells soapy, but it definitely smells a lot more fresh.

    It's also done by a good perfumer, (I forgot who) which you can tell in the composition. Kinda like how Nautica Voyage proves that a good perfumer can make miracles happen. Beckham Homme must've had even less of a budget, because it pretty much went right to drugstores at under $20 a bottle, whereas Voyage started out in department stores. When a perfumer's name is attached to a frag and easily accessible to find this info online, it affects their reputation so much more. I think given the budget, Beckham Homme is fantastic. But I'm not trying to justify it because of this, Beckham Homme really is similar to TdH, just read some reviews.
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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    I've tried Beckham Homme. I picked it up in a swap years ago and quickly got rid of it. It smelled like TdH without the depth. I wasn't a fan.

    I'm specifically looking for a big citrus over a soapy / clean-musky base.
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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    The other day, I was wearing Terre d'Hermes EDT and, for whatever reason, it smelled soapy - for just a moment. It's as if my nose ignored the woods for a second or two, and instead, I'd swear I smelled all of that big citrus over a warm clean musk.

    I'm not looking for a replacement for TdH. I own TdH and TdH Parfum. Love 'em both. I'm just wondering if there's a scent that smells like what you'd get if Hermes made a TdH Musk flanker, or something along those lines.

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    I read your thread title and then the rest of your post. All I could think of throughout was the current Hermes Equipage and Equipage Geranium. I could be wrong, but between them you definitely have a soapy-chypre-fougere (if there is such a thing), less the orange & flint accord, cedar and vetiver that you'd find in TdH. Not sure if that's what you are looking for as they are woodier, spicier and have a sweet amber-like base.

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Quote Originally Posted by rum View Post
    I read your thread title and then the rest of your post. All I could think of throughout was the current Hermes Equipage and Equipage Geranium. I could be wrong, but between them you definitely have a soapy-chypre-fougere (if there is such a thing), less the orange & flint accord, cedar and vetiver that you'd find in TdH. Not sure if that's what you are looking for as they are woodier, spicier and have a sweet amber-like base.
    Are you familiar with Prada L'Homme and Chanel Les Exclusifs Eau De Cologne? They both use a somewhat similar warm clean musk. For whatever reason, for just a moment while wearing Terre d'Hermes, I'd swear all I smelled was that TdH huge citrus over a similar fatty yet clean musk. Big citrus over a big round yet clean musk.

    Sigh... it's probably my white whale. What I really want is a big rich citrus, similar to the citrus in Bergamot 22, Bergamote Soleil, or TdH, married to a clean musky base. Minimalist rather than a cacophony of notes, but rich nonetheless. Actually, Fahrenheit Cologne kind of sort of comes close, except the citrus isn't quite as big as I'm looking for and the base is kind of thin (not to mention faux-wood synthetic).
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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    I’m probably wayyyy off here, but have you tried Narciso Rodriguez Bleu Noir or Bleu Noir Parfum? For some reason, those remind me of what you’re describing.

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    If musky orange is your poison, then I'd suggest trying Hugo Boss in Motion. Plenty of oranges and musk in the mix. I associate it more with an orange creamsickle than soap though.

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Maybe also to a certain extent, its cheapie counterparts (all TDH inspired) like Yardley Citrus & Wood, Zara Norrland, Ginepro Nero by l'Erbolario.
    However all of these with an extra hint of cedar, piney, soapy, resinous, patchouli and/or spicy notes compared to the regular TDH formulation.

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    I suggest Diptyque Eau des Sens. It's so soapy that I got it in bar soap too. Its orange brings Terre d'Hermes to mind and it wears light like a cologne.


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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Frequently mentioned alongside TdH is Guerlain's Homme L'Eau Boisée - which in fact has a discreet clean musk note in the drydown.

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Quote Originally Posted by Trilby Lark View Post
    I suggest Diptyque Eau des Sens. It's so soapy that I got it in bar soap too. Its orange brings Terre d'Hermes to mind and it wears light like a cologne.
    Eau De Sens is excellent. It's on my list of maybes, though it's not what I'm looking for here because it's not a big citrus. It has a bit of citrus, but it's more about orange blossom, angelica and juniper berries. It sure is good though.

    HHhhmmmmm... do people consider things like neroli and orange blossom to be citrus? They smell floral to me (I love 'em both though!)
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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Quote Originally Posted by saminlondon View Post
    Frequently mentioned alongside TdH is Guerlain's Homme L'Eau Boisée - which in fact has a discreet clean musk note in the drydown.
    I would say this is a good option as well, with lime instead of orange.

    I’d also add Jean Couturier Coriandre, a cool, green herbal chypre with a musky base. It doesn’t have the TdH dirty orange per se, but the prominent coriander note combined with citrus gives it a somewhat similar dirty feel, and there’s something kind of flinty in there as well. But it’s also very soft and soapy in the base. Plus, it’s dirt cheap.
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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    I'd like to add Davidoff Adventure as one to check out as well. It's a rugged orange fragrance that's a bit easier to wear than TdH IMO.

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    I'm just wondering if there's a scent that smells like what you'd get if Hermes made a TdH Musk flanker, or something along those lines.

    Thoughts?
    You always come up with interesting recommend/does it exist type threads. I've been pondering this and keep thinking of Petit Matin, but know you're already a fan of it and would have mentioned it, so my brain is obviously going in a different direction. If you don't mind humoring my own curiosity, how would you explain how what you're looking differs from Petit Matin?

    When I think TdH, I think warm orange, pepper, and woods. Very much another play on a theme JC Ellena has done a number of times, all really well in my book. So Petit Matin - definitely lacking what smells like the Ellena orange to me, and not really at all peppery. But it's my go-to for warm, clean musk with some woods and citrus. But not really soapy, either. Maybe just a little. Have you tried Voyage d'Hermes? I don't think it would really fit the bill of what you're looking for, but you might enjoy it all the same.

    I think the rec of the Narciso Rodriguez Bleu Noir is probably pretty close to my best guess. Similar to TdH with a bunch of that NR musk in the base. Not really what I'd consider soapy, but can see how others might. It's also been years since I've smelled it.
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    Cant think of anything exactly like that. For a soapy Vetiver there’s always Creed Original Vetiver, and for that TDH orange note.. there’s Declaration. Maybe there’s a Declaration flanker that’s soapy/musk? Likely won’t have Vetiver though.

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    A couple to consider:

    Comme des Garcons Vettiveru, which retains cedar and vetiver but subs a big, clean musk for the patchouli and geosmin in TdH
    Bulgari Pour Homme and Pour Homme Extreme, which add a tea note but subtract much of the wood of TdH (and the patch) in favor of musk

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Instead of cedar and vetiver folks are recommending cedar and lots of vetiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by IsoESuperman View Post
    You always come up with interesting recommend/does it exist type threads. I've been pondering this and keep thinking of Petit Matin, but know you're already a fan of it and would have mentioned it, so my brain is obviously going in a different direction. If you don't mind humoring my own curiosity, how would you explain how what you're looking differs from Petit Matin?
    The ambergris in the base of Petit Matin goes kind of funky on me sometimes. Petit Matin is definitely in the ballpark, though I'd love to find something even less floral and more citrus (but if I could buy Petit Matin with a different ambergris I'd be like "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"). I do like Petit Matin a lot.

    I'm not just looking for a scent that HAS citrus. I'm looking for a scent where citrus is the star of the show, but where it's married to a clean musk rather than woods. Dior Homme Cologne would be a home run if the base was actually musk. I can't understand why they labelled that as musk. It's just a thin cheap fake wood aroma chemical used in so many summery scents over the past 20 years.

    Imagine Zegna Sicilian Mandarin, but strip away the petitgrain & moss, replacing them with the musk from Prada L'Homme (but not the iris, woods & florals) or the musk from Chanel Eau De Cologne (minus the herbal "eau de cologne" aspects). Imagine the big citrus from Acqua Viva but married to a warm clean musk instead of woods.

    This will probably be way too specific of a reference, but... have you ever worn Chanel AHS Cologne and noticed the musk? I know AHSC features woods too but I'm not talking about that. Buried deep within AHSC is a really good musk. It took me a while to notice it, but when I did, I kept thinking "Wowza! I want more of that!" It's warm, big and round, yet airy and clean. It might be the same musk Chanel uses in their Les Exclusifs Eau De Cologne. There's also a wonderful musk note buried deep in Original Vetiver and Virgin Island Water - not the vetiver, not the woods, not the ambergris... there's also a musk that's really warm and round. Somebody here once described it as fatty, and I can see what he meant. It has a bigness and roundness that wows me every time I notice it in a scent. I'd love some perfumer to make it more of an emphasis. Take AHSC, minus the spices woods and resins... just the citrus and that glorious musk. I'd love to smell that.
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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Have you tried Acqua di Parma Colonia Assoluta?

    It's not really a soapy fragrance, but has that sort of Ellena signature citrus notes on top (like TdH does) and also contains vetiver and ceder - but not as prominent as in TdH.
    It's a Colonia style flanker and probably one of the better ones.

    It just came to my mind when reading your first post - that's why I mentioned it.

    Btw I personally prefer the Eau Tres Fraiche flanker over the original TdH.

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    HHhhmmmmm... do people consider things like neroli and orange blossom to be citrus?
    Oh hell no. I adore a big fat citrus, and I absolutely detest neroli and orange blossom.

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    Have you tried Acqua di Parma Colonia Assoluta?
    +1 This was my first thought.

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    The other day, I was wearing Terre d'Hermes EDT and, for whatever reason, it smelled soapy - for just a moment. It's as if my nose ignored the woods for a second or two, and instead, I'd swear I smelled all of that big citrus over a warm clean musk.

    I'm not looking for a replacement for TdH. I own TdH and TdH Parfum. Love 'em both. I'm just wondering if there's a scent that smells like what you'd get if Hermes made a TdH Musk flanker, or something along those lines.

    Thoughts?
    Let me introduce you NuParfums - Bronze Age - a lighter, muskier, soapier and a bit sweeter Terre d'Hermes.
    Btw, for me Terre d'Hermes is not soapy.

    Top: Grapefruit, Bergamot, Rose, Pink Pepper;
    Heart: Cedarwood, Patchouli, Vetiver, Fir Basalm;
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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Quote Originally Posted by L'Homme Blanc Individuel View Post
    Instead of cedar and vetiver folks are recommending cedar and lots of vetiver?



    The ambergris in the base of Petit Matin goes kind of funky on me sometimes. Petit Matin is definitely in the ballpark, though I'd love to find something even less floral and more citrus (but if I could buy Petit Matin with a different ambergris I'd be like "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"). I do like Petit Matin a lot.

    I'm not just looking for a scent that HAS citrus. I'm looking for a scent where citrus is the star of the show, but where it's married to a clean musk rather than woods. Dior Homme Cologne would be a home run if the base was actually musk. I can't understand why they labelled that as musk. It's just a thin cheap fake wood aroma chemical used in so many summery scents over the past 20 years.

    Imagine Zegna Sicilian Mandarin, but strip away the petitgrain & moss, replacing them with the musk from Prada L'Homme (but not the iris, woods & florals) or the musk from Chanel Eau De Cologne (minus the herbal "eau de cologne" aspects). Imagine the big citrus from Acqua Viva but married to a warm clean musk instead of woods.

    This will probably be way too specific of a reference, but... have you ever worn Chanel AHS Cologne and noticed the musk? I know AHSC features woods too but I'm not talking about that. Buried deep within AHSC is a really good musk. It took me a while to notice it, but when I did, I kept thinking "Wowza! I want more of that!" It's warm, big and round, yet airy and clean. It might be the same musk Chanel uses in their Les Exclusifs Eau De Cologne. There's also a wonderful musk note buried deep in Original Vetiver and Virgin Island Water - not the vetiver, not the woods, not the ambergris... there's also a musk that's really warm and round. Somebody here once described it as fatty, and I can see what he meant. It has a bigness and roundness that wows me every time I notice it in a scent. I'd love some perfumer to make it more of an emphasis. Take AHSC, minus the spices woods and resins... just the citrus and that glorious musk. I'd love to smell that.
    Haha, fair enough. I will just say that I get no vetiver from Bulgari and that the musk far outpaces the cedar in Vettiveru, but your description here gives a better idea of what you're talking about.

    I see you're a Pomelo Paradis fan. Have you tried Bergamote Soleil, and/or are the woods in that too prominent?

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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

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    Guerlain's Homme L'Eau Boisée
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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    Quote Originally Posted by TRBeck View Post
    I see you're a Pomelo Paradis fan. Have you tried Bergamote Soleil, and/or are the woods in that too prominent?
    They are - and worse, they're too synthetic. It's a bummer because the bergamot in Bergamote Soleil is superb. I own a 30ml bottle. I love that opening so much, but the base is scratchy and synthetic. I feel similarly about Bergamot 22 by Le Labo. FANTASTIC bergamot, but once it fades you're left with a synth/faux-wood that isn't particularly good on its own, and since it outlasts the bergamot you end up with it on its own. Yuck.


    Quote Originally Posted by Emanuel76 View Post
    Let me introduce you NuParfums - Bronze Age - a lighter, muskier, soapier and a bit sweeter Terre d'Hermes.

    Top: Grapefruit, Bergamot, Rose, Pink Pepper;
    Heart: Cedarwood, Patchouli, Vetiver, Fir Basalm;
    Base: Vanilla, Amber, Musk, Moss.

    Sounds like I need to sample this one!


    Quote Originally Posted by Emanuel76 View Post
    Btw, for me Terre d'Hermes is not soapy.
    It's not for me either. I have no idea why, for just a moment, I smelled something soapy while wearing it. It doesn't smell particularly earthy to me either though. It smells abstract in a wonderful way.
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    Default Re: Does this exist? Imagine TdH, but soapy instead of cedar & vetiver

    A Prada version of Terre D’Hermès. That would be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beck View Post
    A Prada version of Terre D’Hermès. That would be interesting.
    Not necessarily a Prada version. I'm only talking about the musk they use in Prada L'Homme, but it's used in plenty of other scents. I just used that scent as a reference point.

    Then again... I haven't had the chance to sample Infusion De Mandarine, but I'd bet they made the orange candy-ish and added lots of iris & semi-synth fizziness, which isn't what I'm looking for at all.
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