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    Default Adding Hedione to Fragrances

    So I've been reading about Hedione being somewhat transparent and smooth, helping projection, etc.

    and wanted to add it to a Vanilla fragrance that's designed to be layered, Solinotes Vanille. In theory it sounds like it could reduce the sweetness and add a fluffy freshness to the scent, which sounds appealing to me.

    So I'm wondering, is there anything I need to take into consideration here? I've read hedione can go bad at certain pH, but anything else I need to know about here?

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    Not really. Just see if to your perception Hedione offers improvement and what amount seems best. And you may or may not prefer Hedione HC.

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    Hedione is indeed transparent and smooth but it may have the tendency to create specific accords, and it might not be suitable for just any formula. at least not in large amount. The best way is to try it in your formula. It could theoretically reduce the sweetness, but I find most often it does the opposite. Good luck

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    Hedione is very mild and versatile. For your goal you could do something as simple as

    80 Ethyl Alcohol
    18 Hedione
    1 Vanillin
    1 Ethyl Vanillin

    (Or dilute these ingredients even further)

    It's not an easy material to mess up, the only consideration is whether its generic florality fits the vibe you want.

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    I stopped using hedion, it seems to me that it simplifies the composition and blurs the notes. On rare occasions I use a little charismal, it is little bit richer.

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    Default Re: Adding Hedione to Fragrances

    Ok I’ll bite: what is charismal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolieo View Post
    Ok I’ll bite: what is charismal?
    Kharismal = Hedione IFF
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    Hedione (aka: methyl dihydrojasmonate) comes in many different ways (strength/cis content):

    Material -- cis/trans ratio:
    Hedione (Firmenich) ca. 10:90
    Cepionate (Zeon) ca. 30:70
    Kharismal (IFF) ca. 60:40
    Super Cepionate (Zeon) ca. 70:30
    Jasmodione (Takasago) ca. 70:30
    Kharismal Super (IFF) ca. 72:28
    Hedione HC (Firmenich) ca. 75:25
    Hedione VHC (Firmenich) ca. 90:10
    Paradisone (Firmenich) ca. 94:6
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    Default Re: Adding Hedione to Fragrances

    Paul thank you - I didn’t put the misspelling into context
    Bkkorn thank you for the list

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Roberts View Post
    Not really. Just see if to your perception Hedione offers improvement and what amount seems best. And you may or may not prefer Hedione HC.
    I might have to get both, but regular hedione in theory sounds a lil nice if its smoother and less citrusy

    Quote Originally Posted by LSP View Post
    Hedione is indeed transparent and smooth but it may have the tendency to create specific accords, and it might not be suitable for just any formula. at least not in large amount. The best way is to try it in your formula. It could theoretically reduce the sweetness, but I find most often it does the opposite. Good luck
    If it increases the sweetness that's okay, I'm mostly trying to fluff up the Vanilla scent, I guess I'll have to just find out how it goes, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by pazzoballando View Post
    Hedione is very mild and versatile. For your goal you could do something as simple as

    80 Ethyl Alcohol
    18 Hedione
    1 Vanillin
    1 Ethyl Vanillin

    (Or dilute these ingredients even further)

    It's not an easy material to mess up, the only consideration is whether its generic florality fits the vibe you want.
    I figured I would use it alongside Solinotes Vanille as it already has the Vanilla accord pretty well done, just maybe could use a nice touch of something something. I didnt know Vanilla accord would be that simple, maybe I could make it myself, Thanks for the info. I was reading the most impactful aroma chemicals in some Vanilla are Vanillin & Anisyl notes, so I figured Anethole looks promising as its supposedly a TRPM8 Agonist like menthol that could add a touch of fresh coolness

    Quote Originally Posted by Agonhoun View Post
    I stopped using hedion, it seems to me that it simplifies the composition and blurs the notes. On rare occasions I use a little charismal, it is little bit richer.
    Yeah I could imagine I have to limit the amount used to where the Vanilla is still prominent but I get the general fluff that hedione supposedly offers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bkkorn View Post
    Hedione (aka: methyl dihydrojasmonate) comes in many different ways (strength/cis content):

    Material -- cis/trans ratio:
    Hedione (Firmenich) ca. 10:90
    Cepionate (Zeon) ca. 30:70
    Kharismal (IFF) ca. 60:40
    Super Cepionate (Zeon) ca. 70:30
    Jasmodione (Takasago) ca. 70:30
    Kharismal Super (IFF) ca. 72:28
    Hedione HC (Firmenich) ca. 75:25
    Hedione VHC (Firmenich) ca. 90:10
    Paradisone (Firmenich) ca. 94:6
    I'd most likely get my Hedione from vigon, not sure which they offer or what the major differences here are. According to what I read Cis hedione is just more citrusy basically? I'm mostly looking for the fluffy effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bkkorn View Post
    Hedione (aka: methyl dihydrojasmonate) comes in many different ways (strength/cis content):

    Material -- cis/trans ratio:
    Hedione (Firmenich) ca. 10:90
    Cepionate (Zeon) ca. 30:70
    Kharismal (IFF) ca. 60:40
    Super Cepionate (Zeon) ca. 70:30
    Jasmodione (Takasago) ca. 70:30
    Kharismal Super (IFF) ca. 72:28
    Hedione HC (Firmenich) ca. 75:25
    Hedione VHC (Firmenich) ca. 90:10
    Paradisone (Firmenich) ca. 94:6
    Did you find this somewhere, or compile that yourself ? :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pkiler View Post
    Did you find this somewhere, or compile that yourself ? :-)
    http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/12137/1/The..._May.pdf?DDD7+
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    Excellent, Thanks!
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    Default Re: Adding Hedione to Fragrances

    Great Bkkorn! I met Professor Baxendale in some conferences, but i didn't know he was involved in this field of org. Chemistry. Great! Good academic work, and thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d r e View Post
    If it increases the sweetness that's okay, I'm mostly trying to fluff up the Vanilla scent, I guess I'll have to just find out how it goes, thanks
    It could be just me, but... I've found that sandalwood ACs, specifically javanol and polysantol, tend to "fluff up" and "amplify" amber/sweet type scents. Has anyone else noticed this?




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